Stewart and McClellan have been great and on target. For not ever being JW's they have more than in any case or argument that I've seen before, totally captured and channeled the JW tone, the unwritten double-speak, and the JW-isms. Usually the WTS is able to squeeze out on some technicality or have some prosecutor who hasn't taken the time to understand the real JW culture...and all the unwritten and implied stuff. But these guy's are no-nonsense and leaving absolutely no wiggle room. I'm impressed by their preparation. Any future prosecutor should study this hearing, as I believe they are shining light on the path for future cases.
Axelspeed
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[Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO
by C0ntr013r inby popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
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Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?
by Wasanelder Once inwhat can i add?
this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .
i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..
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Axelspeed
So sad. I don't feel sorry for the guy because of his history with this particular case, but in a general sense as an ex-elder I do sort of feel sorry for the guy. He is ill-equipped, way over his head, and It's been a long time, if ever, that he's had a fresh independent thought of his own. He has never ever even considered the angle being presented, and it shows. -
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Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?
by OnTheWayOut ini don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.
anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.
https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .
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Young Girl Exposes Jehovah's Witnesses at school video goes VIRAL last 2 days 273,000 views
by Watchtower-Free inoriginal thread here.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.
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What Happened at Watchtower in 2001?
by Marvin Shilmer inwhat happened at watchtower in 2001?
... the 2001 blood card that wasthen wasnt.. .
i have added a new article addressing a unique event that occurred in year 2001 involving a change watchtower made on its no-blood cards, and then changed back.
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Axelspeed
One-time poster now-occasional lurker here.
I remember this clearly, and yes it was a major deal for me. I was still in at the time, but not happy at all with elder jwlife. I was the elder assigned to give the *blood* talk that year and was already having a problem processing the logic/thinking behind the whole thing, as this was the first time I actually had to try and explain the unexplainable in a SM part. The cards in my hall were already passed out (prematurely), and only later (the next meeting) were we told by the PO to destroy the cards.
To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice the wording change, until they made a big hubbub about destroying the card, and then I looked at it more closely, ...and then I knew something was very wrong. I still have the card somewhere.
Shortly thereafter, they made some changes the the new (reworked) worship book and that was it.
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New Light on Prayer in NOV 15 WT Study Edition
by lepermessiah ini finally saw that november 15th wt article on prayer that everyone has been talking about - the people in the photos look as stiff as corpses!.
people will be called in the back room for inadvertantly making contact with their spouse during prayer.. i think i will adopt the following stance during prayer now:.
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Axelspeed
This is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while. While it may be old light to some, I have never ever seen this put in print like this and accompanied by a picture, and I have been around for a while. I stand corrected if it has. Talk about self inflicted wounds.
It will be very interesting to see how this goes over in the spanish speaking congs as culturally they are very family oriented, and very embrace/hug oriented as couples and with the kids from what I observed. It will also be interesting to see how the younger jw couples (post 2000) who have very little experience in reading between the wts lines react to this. I have been to a meeting or two for family, and I can tell you that where I visited it was striking how much hand holding, arms around the waist/shoulders was happening esp with the 30 and under crowd.
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the high cost of divorcing a JW............
by oompa indivorce is hard for everyone, unless the person is just jumping for joy to get out it.....but even then it can be rough....and you lose half your assets.....some people stay in bad marriages just because they can not afford to be divorced........ but esp if you are a born in jw.....you know what is so unfair compared to normal non-jw divorces????
?....what is so fukkin unfair?!?
!.......that you lose all your friends and family!!!!
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Axelspeed
I have no special insight or advice to offer except to say that youre not alone. I am a recently divorced born in who was in exactly the same situation you are in. In order to keep my sanity I had to get to the point consider everything pretty much lost as every friend and family that I have known. I had to come to a point of acceptance. I would say the low point came when it was my family and childhood friends who came and helped her move her things, as my young nieces and nephews stood in the distance, forbidden to say a word.
I didn't mind that so much, because she was a great person and even today even I would help her in any way I could. But as they all laughed and chatted on the front lawn, not one word was spoken to me except the occasional no eye contact "excuse me" as the furniture was packed into the moving van. There was no telling what kind of scoundrel and lowlife my neighbors must believe me to be to have my family and friends come to assist her while saying not a word to me. It must have looked awkward and strange. I would have tried to explain about jws and all, but what would be the point. So now I live as my own cheerleeder, my own friend, and the person who tells me that I'm not the evil person every person I have known believes me to be. I will never forget that day.
So now I have to make a conscious effort to get out, meet people, learn how to make friends and how to be a friend. If I could offer one observation, the experience will definitely show you that you are a stronger being than you ever thought you were or needed to be, and that is the case whatever you decide to do. To make it through leaving the jws for any person is a courageous and extraordinary thing. As a born in, to lose friends and family and to start over, that makes you a special person. You will find your way. This too, shall pass.
PM me if you need.
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Is the Watchtower Society in serious financial diffiCULTy?
by cultswatter injust to summarize:.
wt format change saves one wt mag per month.
no anouncment of the dc theme.
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Axelspeed
I think they are going to cut and run. Maybe not immediately, this all takes time. Launder the money, off-shore accounts, selling off of properties, cutting back on bethel staffers. The priveldged few insiders will get the golden parachute
I have no proof of this, but that's one way I see it playing out too. I don't think they are poor at all, but they see the negative trends and the way things are going. They also see the money and a lot of assets sitting there, The dark side of human nature is strong enough I believe to motivate some to try and figure out a way to get a piece of it before any of it slips away via lawsuits, etc.
The way the WT is structured, I don't think any one person could take off with the bank. But there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I can't help but think that these alternative ways of skinning are being looked into vigorously by some of those in the know at the top. In the meantime JWs will be kept busy with busy-work, fed retread articles, given cheaper publications in the name of simplification, and given enough New Light change and more "carrot and stick" (mostly stick) to propel the WT along till it reaches its rolling stop.
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Standish Arms Sold by WTS, 5 other buildings on the market
by blondie in5 other buildings remain on the market.
by linda collins.
brooklyn daily eagle.
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Axelspeed
Yep, something's not passing the smell test here. As the writing on the wall for the WT becomes clearer (lawsuits, declining numbers, and no armaggedon in sight), I suspect that the sucking noise of $$ being funneled out the back door to a few at the top may be getting more pronounced.
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30 Minute Public Talk-CONFIRMED
by stillajwexelder ini can confirm (as there seems to be some doubt) at the service meeting last night during the item about the new watchtower, a letter was read by the po.
the public talk is to be 30 minutes long.
this is to allow for more association and ministry.. lengthy negative introductions about the state of the system of things/deep last days etc are to be heavily curtailed.
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Axelspeed
Lengthy negative introductions about the state of the system of things/deep last days etc are to be heavily curtailed
Was this point stated in the letter to the congregation or in a separate letter to elders only? Thanks in advance. If it was in a letter read out loud, I find it a little interesting.