Havn't really followed this thread, even though I knew it had something to do with the "funny money." I didn't realize it had grown to this level of interest.
My opinion is that if this is about really helping JWs see the light, it will have minimal effect. JWs are trained for this kind of thing, they are on the look out for it,...in fact even imagine it exist in the most hidden of places. JWs have a serious persecution complex. Most will see it as a silly prank pushed by evil apostates.
For Jws everything is about satan, the world and apostates focusing on them, and them alone, and trying to trip them up. Remember they are the center of there universe.
To have success in seeing the light, they first have to be ready for it and ready to think for themselves.
Just my 2c.
Axel
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News About 2006 Memorial
by Severus inthis is a call to action.
please read.
jehovah's witnesses will be celebrating the memorial of jesus death on wednesday, april 12th.
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Has anybody read this book?
by Axelspeed inthe early history of god: yahweh and the other deities in ancient israel -- by mark smith.
has anybody read this book?
or know of some other good books along this line?
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Thanks J. It does appear to assume a level of working knowledge from the pages I've seen. It looks interesting enough to give it a read nonetheless.
Axel
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DOES THAT HAILSTONE HAVE MY NAME ON IT?
by Dogpatch inhey y'all, this is a really good and funny life story.
you've got to read it!
-- randy
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That was one great read!...I felt every word of it.
Axel
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Has anybody read this book?
by Axelspeed inthe early history of god: yahweh and the other deities in ancient israel -- by mark smith.
has anybody read this book?
or know of some other good books along this line?
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The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel -- by Mark Smith
Has anybody read this book? Or know of some other good books along this line? Thanks.
Axel
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I said too much
by vitty ini was having a good conversation with my mum, and then............... id said too much.. she had been telling me she didnt ant to go to the hall, for a number of reasons, and when i started critisizing the borg she went all haughty and started telling me i should be going!!!!!!!!!.
the usual, its so near the end, its the only truth............blah blah.
its 3.30am here and i cant sleep, i just want everyone to know i dont go anymore but i cant.
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You either come clean and risk shunning or play being weak and everyone feels the need to be stronger in the "truth" to prove to you how wonderful it all is.
Hang in there. I know the feeling, esp. when they paste on the fake smiles to prove how happy happy they are in the "truth". My family are all in too, so I know the feeling of seeing them gird themselves up when I come around to show me just how happy I could be too. At some point, and only you know when that time is, the fear will be gone and you'll know what to do and you will do it.
Axel
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Getting Busted w/ Love Letters
by OpenFireGlass in.
love letters were the demise for many of the kids in congregations that i attended growing up..... i know i ended up in the library/back room several times for this (hopless romantic/ sagitarius) even put on public reproof for it.
(though i believe it was my dad's idea to have the elders put me on public reproof so that he could have more control over me).
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I'm glad somebody's laughing...lol.
my father was listening on the other line and I was forced to call back and read her some chapters from the Youth! book, offer biblical counsel and a free home bible study.
just noticed this...I feel for you. That sounds like pure hell! lmao. Axel
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Bible stories swept under the carpet
by jgnat in.
i'll start.. judges 4:21 jeal drove a tent peg through the head of a sleeping king.. judges 19:29 a man cut up the body of his raped and murdered concubine and sent the twelve parts to the twelve tribes of israel.. .
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Jehovah doesn't want you killing ANY of his babies early! He wants them saved so he gets to have all the fun for himself!!!
What a Twisted Little Sister...LOL
Axel
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There's something happening here.
by nicolaou inhey watchtower!
can you feel it?
that cold, hard knot in your stomach?
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I agree with the above posts, as I sense a big change and the WT does too. I can’t put it into words only what I observe in my limited view of JWs from the distance.
1) The JWs are quickly and quietly becoming a social club, especially for the younger crowd, hell even for the older crowd. Many of these were born into it or found themselves brought in through family in there later teen yrs. They like to hang out with other people who they consider good people, but it is much more for the built-in friends that come with showing up at the hall. Most of these have little or no ambition to be anything much more than seat warmers.
Some of these can not escape for now due to family or the fear of a total loss of a social system. But don’t be mistaken, this is a totally different JW than the JW of the 70s and even the 80s. In those days you always reached out, never said no to an assignment, didn’t think about going to school, and actually sort of wanted to pioneer, etc. etc.
2) Another late development is the ex-elder. There is a growing group of JW x-elders, men who once were who are now more than content to be seat-warmers too. (Although from what I have heard there are growing reports of COs deleting long time elders for seemingly frivolous reasons). These men have heard it all. They’ve been through the complete cycle and heard every fear and guilt-laden diatribe the WT has spouted. They have heard the Last Days speech over and over and over again. They have not forgotten that the generation of 1914 was not supposed to die before the big A. They still go to the meetings, comment occasionally…but they definitely know bullshit when they hear it now. They know pretty much what lines to say to the CO when he comes around to keep him off their backs about reaching out again, but they have no intention of saddling themselves with that bs again. Oh, and just coming out with another book doesn’t cut it anymore…they have heard it all about the latest and greatest new pub…they are booked out.
I am old enough to remember the late 60s WT as a child. I am old enough to remember the old WT, and young enough to see what it has evolved into. I believe, looking back, the generation change of 1995 and the advent of the Internet will go down as milestones that irreversibly changed the WT. Yes irreversibly, because there is no way the WT will ever have the unquestioning allegiance it had before.
Nic, you are also correct in saying that the WT is creating not just complainers, but bonafide enemies. Why is that? It is because they took our souls. We were really ready to give it all. They may talk about us now and how evil we are, but WT you gave us this measuring stick. The only thing we are doing is measuring with the stick we were given.
Every action we took, every other religion we met, every job we took, who we dated and how we dated, who we married, whether we went to college or not, what clothes we wore and whether it “looked right”, whether we went to the prom or not, whether we got to go on school trips or participate in sports, music, or art. We suppressed every thing we were to support what we were told was the greater good. We suppressed our natural instincts to be good neighbors, to give to charitable causes, to be normal in order to place some magazines. Yes, in some cases we could have made worse choices (as many of us are not in jail or dealing with others problems), but that is not the point. We were ROBBED. And that just sticks in our craw.
The internet is providing the forum to let us know that we weren’t going crazy, that we were not the only ones who sensed something was wrong. The new social JW will not make the same mistakes we did, those days are bye-bye.
WT, yes you have plenty of money and assets to be around for awhile. But what you cherish most is what is vanishing. And ultimately, its not really about the money, its about your credibility.
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Surprise! Surprise! Another CELECBRITY JW!! (almost)
by stillAwitness interrance howard (crash and hustle and flow) wife is a jw including their 3 kids.
not him though, he was quoted as saying in december's issue of essence magazine that the religion is "too strict" for him.
ya think?
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This was posted earlier.
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Getting Busted w/ Love Letters
by OpenFireGlass in.
love letters were the demise for many of the kids in congregations that i attended growing up..... i know i ended up in the library/back room several times for this (hopless romantic/ sagitarius) even put on public reproof for it.
(though i believe it was my dad's idea to have the elders put me on public reproof so that he could have more control over me).
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Yep! It sucked big time.
And yes, JW girls got the same line just adjusted a little...."how old are you...(waits for response)...well you should know XXXX cannot have girlfriends because he's not ready for marraige."
Yeah, it was rough. But it helps knowing that I wasn't the only one who went through this craziness.
Axel