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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  Axelspeed

  I feel ya Jourles!

  I have one word...unbelieveable!

  Axel

  (Lisa... )
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  Cano Is The Tip Of the Iceberg

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  is the watchtower organization filled with child molesters?

  maybe not - but the cano incident should make us think about an allied problem,.

  namely, general corruption and rot.. many years ago, it was not unknown to find strange photos and other materials in a bethel brother's room, after he died unexpectedly.. that doesn't prove that there is a massive problem with child molestation.

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  These Catholics who believed their religion, their faith is pure or right, did not indict their religion which they believe to be the true faith. You did not hear how millions of Catholics believe their Church is rotten from within now.

  In some ways we are talking apples and oranges here. The r&f mindset of the average Catholic is completely different from the r&f mindset of the average JW. Most Catholics, unlike most JWs, have no problem acknowledging that their religion has flaws. In fact they may, especially in this country, openly defy official church policy on issues they feel strongly about. Most just see Catholicism as a way to infuse some spirituality into their lives. Many like it because of the tradition. Most Catholics don't have to believe their religion is rotten from within, they already know its not perfect and have very little expectation of perfection. In return they fully expect to live their own lives in unjudgemental fashion, not judging or being judged, realizing that they are not capable or have any wish to live up to any unreachable standard of piety and self-denial. Yes, of course they are repulsed by pedophile priest in there ranks. But they do not have to indict their whole religion, because they already know their religion is indictable on so many levels -- just look at the history, they can read too. Still they choose to stay because they want to, and, I might add, on their own terms as expressed though their actions. They live grace-based, not performance-based, and extend that same standard to the Church.

  JWs on the other hand, refuse or very grudgingly, acknowledge any flaws in the religion. Why? Because it is all about pretense. It is what separates them from everybody else. They have a vested interest in making sure the religion stays un-indictable, and so they refuse to indict it themselves even when the evidence is staring them in the face. The JWs are measuring themselves and others with a totally different ruler than what Catholics are using. All they have is a supposed credibility which is shrinking measurably. On top of that they are a performance-based religion, and the r&f are tired of performing. JWs are a end time religion whose expiration date is closing in. It will be around for some time, but whether it stays in its current form is highly doubtful. Time is not on their side, the attitudes of JWs of today are very different from even a few years ago.

  For many of us on this board, what is coming out is absolutely shocking by our old JW standard. But as more of these reports come out, this will be old hat (for lack of a better term) with tomorrow's JW. This is about credibility. Tomorrow's JW will realize that they are indictable, and will live their lives in less judgemental and more social ways than we ever did. JWs are already changing...from the bottom up.

  Just my 2

  Axel
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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  Axelspeed

  Excellent job Lisa!! Your powers of instigation investigation are incredible.

  The fact that he admitted that JWs are not the ONLY spokesperson organization of God on earth is somewhat surprising.

  Axel
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  Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

  by LDH in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just called their media line:.

  http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

  asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

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  Axelspeed

  LOL! uh...dont hold your breath. You are such the little instigator. I love it!

  Axel
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  I woke up to my JW mom reading JW literature to my stomach

  by unbeliever in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that sounds weird.

  i am pregnant with my first child and my mom is visiting me for a few days.

  i was laying on the couch taking a nap and she was sitting down and reading to my stomach.

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  Axelspeed

  So you woke up with your mom reading Jdub literature to your stomach.I dont think I could add anything that would enhance that visual.

  Take care, recognize what kind of behaviour this really is, and make sure your kid is not exposed to that crap. I know you love your mom, but recognize this pitiable behavior for what it is.
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  Latest News In JW Sex Scandal

  by Kenneson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .

  see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.

  investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.

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  Axelspeed

  I wonder if the Watchtower Society is going to issue a public statement or remain tight lipped.

  I would think they are holding their collective breath until the investigators go through the disks, memory sticks and computer hard drives. Looking at the police pictures, it looks like they have a lot to go through.

  If not much more is found they'll isolate him as a bad apple...proceed with damage control and try to move on. If though, more is found, or the investigation spreads or others are implicated...I hesitate to say death knell, but it would be pretty damn close to it. Morale can only take so many hits.

  Axel
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  Never trust brothers you don't know!

  by 5thGeneration in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i broke it to my super devout parents that after this i don't believe there is any reason why i should trust any 'brother' i don't know around my kids.. no way, no how!.

  they had to admit this was pretty shocking and enlightening but they still ended up making excuses.

  the society will soon have to drop the 'we are better than everyone else' argument for sure.

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  Axelspeed

  VM, I believe that is a copy of the card the authorities confiscated. Here is a link to a news video that someone else posted that shows the card.
  http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B40C0F05297C699B
  
  Axel
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  slip of the tongue of elder

  by DannyBloem in

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  2. bible

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  this morning the speaker was late and they had to change the wachtower study with the public talk.. the young elder introducing this, was maybe a bit nervous of this happening (although it is certainly not the first time this year), and told that the public intercourse of the wachttower study would be held first, instead of the public discourse.

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  Axelspeed

  Once heard a speaker ask the audience to "turn with me please to Jack Daniel chapter...verse...". Never did hear the chapter and verse.
  
  Axel
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  Shocking Announcement: Society feels Armaggedon coming this year?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a rumor alert indeed, but it could be related to the distribution of kingdom news no.37, "false religions end is near.".

  the following is posted from e-watchman's forum.. make of it what you will, but in light of all the rhetoric about "deliverance at hand" and "independent thinking", nothing would surprise me anymore.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1502&st=0 we posted about an announcement it was only local to our cong.

  however we have found out that there is going to be an announcement sometime in september and it is supposed to be shocking.

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  Axelspeed

  who so desperately want it all to just END already! God almighty, let it end

  JEHOVAH PLEASE JUST LET ARMAGEDDON COME!! they scream in their prayers.

  So yes...the R&F cling to every little possibility that might mean their misery will end...even if it means dying

  lol...your description of the psychological state of the r&f jw is one of the most accurate and dead-on I've read.

  Axel
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  Do you think that JW's are integrating more into society these days?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think that jw's are integrating more into society these days or not making any progress?.

  i went to a rock concert in a park on satuday night, and i saw 2 young jw's there.

  their parents are jw's and the father is an elder and they go to every meeting and go out in the service regularly.. that concert was to raise money for ex-alcoholics and ex drug attics and people following therapy for this.. i've been going to that concert to raise money once a year, since over 10 years, and never saw 1 jw there in the past.. i was very surprised to see them there.

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  Axelspeed

  Its not so much Watchtower changing, but that their own members are changing.

  I agree that this is the point. Any kind of reform, or whatever you want to call it, from the top will never come. If it is coming, its way to slow in coming for the R&F. Also, there is no one with the juice at the top to initiate that kind of change. They have created a system whereby they have landlocked themselves, and anyone who dares talk of change will find himself being shipped out with the latest batch of ex-bethelites..

  On the other hand, many of the rank and file, while nodding there heads in agreement, are by there actions showing that they are much more willing to pick and choose what they are willing to swallow. They are going to college, they are not giving up the internet, some being deprived as kids themselves are enrolling there kids in ...hold your breath...the YMCA, brothers are not reaching out (and not feeling guilty about it), brothers are resigning and planting themselves in their seats (and not feeling bad about it), etc. etc. etc. The JW of today is still compliant, but still a totally different breed than what was common 20 or 30 yrs ago.

  The JWs are changing, but in an unexpected way...from the bottom up.

  (They will never change enough for me. The more I think about what they took the more I despise them.)

  Axel