I should also point out that once a person reaches enlightenment after undergoing a kundalini awakening, all phenomena stops. Just like the others on this thread have said, the point of it all is to question and do inquiry. "Who am I"? Etc. Well after a kundalin awakening completes, you find out. And that's the end of it. No more phenomena.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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Smoked marijuana a lot when younger. Did do LSD once. Growing up a JW produced a lot of trauma, however I've never been on psychiatric meds. Oh, and my Aunt does have schizophrenia. Oh, and I voted for Bush 4 years ago.
After reading the above info, here's a couple of things to consider:
First, I do hold a day job at Microsoft. I also put myself through college and have been on my own since I was 17. I also directed an independent film. So, I hope this counts as evidence that I do have my shit together to some degree.
Second, it's one thing to spaz out and mutter unintelligible jibberish. It's another when it correlates exactly to old buhddist and hindu tantric mantras and practices. THIS is what I think seperates the crazies from those undergoing a direct spiritual experience.
Third, I spent some time after these intial experiences going to a counselor, to try and figure out their origin. I had no intention of having my life screwed up and going crazy. Needless to say I had to weed my way through a lot of New Age BS before stumbling upon the truth.
Fourth, I'm not trying to do anything on this post besides shed some light on kundalini experiences, since I have experience in this area and their is a LOT of ignorance concerning it. I could care less about my experiences and often wish they had never happened.
Oh, and if you know anyone, I mean anyone, who could scientifically document any of this, let me know. Lie detectors, brain scans, you name it. I've talked to the University of WA and some other research centers but get no response. They probably think I'm a quack.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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Yo princess
Why would you highly recommend something that makes a person go mad?
Re-read my post. I re-posted saying I meant to say NOT RECOMMENDING.
Stick to running.
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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logansrun,
If my mother ever found out she would be TERRIFIED too. In fact, I think it could even kill her.
Sometimes I wonder if this is why the WS purposely forbade JWs from meditating. I think they were afraid of people finding out the real truth.
Hell, even I thought I was being attacked by a demon when it first started happening. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I logged onto the watchtowers website and contemplated calling up an elder. It really did a number on me.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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But I highly recommend someone who'se simply interested in phenomena to seek out a kundalini awakening
Whoops! I meant I recommend they DONT seek it out. Sorry.
Also, I don't want to come across as an ass. I just think there is a lot of ignorance concerning Kundalini awakenings. If you really want to know more about them, do a google on it or go to www.kundalinisupport.com.
There are books on it. It's mostly a hindu/yoga thing, but the Tantric Buhddist refer to it as well.
It's not all new agey hearts and flowers shit.
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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Mark,
To be frank, in my experience some people who have had such experiences are actually kind of spiritually naive. Whether they realize it or not, there is some clinging to the experience - if there is no clinging there would be no suffering, and very often there is clearly suffering. It is as if the energetic shifts is not accompanied by any understanding.
Well, I wouldn't call someone undergoing spontaneous mudras, chanting, and kriyas naive. Kundalini happens SPONTANEOUSLY. It isn't a practice, like doing a morning meditation or exercising in the park. It's something you consciously have no control over. It forces you into higher states of consciousness in order to bring about a destruction of the ego. There are a lot of crazies who hang on and search out phenomena. Not me. Not after going through what I have gone through.
I was talking about qigong as it is energy work, but it is a practice so I'm not sure what symptoms you are pointing to.
I thought you were referring to it happening spontaneously. If it's something you are intentionally practicing, something you've learned in class, then I misunderstood you. Often times a kundalini awakening can cause you to spontaneously perform chi gong type of work, with no learning whatsover. I'm assuming that tai chi, yoga, and other chi based work all comes from one source, and a kundalini awakening channels that same source. If I meditate in a standing position, in a few minutes I will began doing tai chi/yoga type movements. It happens spontaneously. It's almost like playing a guitar. However, at times it has happened with no initiation at all on my part, and that can be quite disconcerning, especially in public.
Its just energy. Its not to be ignored, but clinging or aversion to this experience is as much egoic behavior as doing so with ordinary experience.
I think you would have to be put in the shoes of a person undergoing a kundalini awakening to better understand your attitude towards it. First of all it is real contact with divine energy. Second, the experience itself is the catalyst towards bringing about an awakening. Granted, it's not nescessary to have a kundalini awakening in order to become enlightened. But, it is a sure fire way to do so in one lifetime. Which is it's purpose. The phenomena is the "work" involved to physically transform your mind and body into a divine vessel. This is the whole point of yoga. There is a difference between people looking for little spiritual "rushes" and "energy flow" and someone undergoing a kundalini awakening.
The real work is to inquire what is this you take as "I", that is the direct way. When that is seen through you won't be sitting there having ideas about "your" relationship to the experience, there will just be the experience and it can then run it's course unimpeded. To be honest such energetic shifts is really quite shallow when you compare it with a shift of consciousness, actually there is no comparison. You can have these experiences and barely scratch the surface in terms of consciousness itself, or not at all.
The experiences of a kundalin awakening are in fact forcing a person to physically change their consciousness. Other experiences may just be energy shifts or the flow of chi or whatever, but a kundalini awakening is directly designed to force about inquiring about the "I" and questiong who you really think "you" are. Like I said in previously, many people have achieved enlightment simply through inquiry and meditation alone. For others, the kundalini rises to force about it more intensely. It's possibly doing so because they're maybe no other way to get the person to awaken otherwise.
And again, to address it directly you have to look deeply, beyond the experience.
Absolutely. Trust me, when these experiences happen you want answers. If it would've been just a little "rush" or a "tingly feeling", I might have said, "Oh, that's cool. That must be chi or something". However, when you begin doing spontaneous chanting in Sanskrit, assuming sponataneous yoga and tai chi postures, YOU NEED REAL ANSWERS. The experiences force you to inquire, to seek out answers. I now see a Hindu renunciate who helps me. Her basic teaching is exactly what you bring up, to look beyond the experiences and seek out their source, which is divine conciousness itself.
I think our disconnect here is simple: Your talking about phenomena that people chase looking for a spiritual high and I'm talking about a specific phenomena, kundalini, which through it's phenomena/experiences to transform someone into an awakened being. Like I said, it is not nescessary to have kundalini to awaken. However, the Yogis often refer to it as a sure fire way to get enlightenment, once it is unleashed. Because there is no going back, it literally forces it about. Some people need that extra kick in the ass.
But I highly recommend someone who'se simply interested in phenomena to seek out a kundalini awakening. Those type of people go mad. Because it's one of those things that you should be careful to ask for, because you just might get it. The experiences ARE THE MOST INTENSE, and quite frankly, scary. It's one thing to feel something spiritual, it's another to have no choice but to KNOW it was. Now that will force you to really inquire who you "think" you are, and the ego soon finds itself fighting to maintain a hold.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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Mark Sounds to me like these are early symptoms of a Kundalini Awakening. But like LittleToe was saying, it's not the phenomena that you should be chasing. They are merely signposts along the way that show you something is afoot. These yoga postures, different states of conciousness, chi or energy work are simply working to enlighten your being and prepare it for enlightment. They are in and of themselves not the objective. If you keep meditating, you'll probably find yourself in a situation like I did. And I can tell you, when you cross the line and can no longer control your experiences, it's quite terrifying. I don't think anyone could be prepared for it. When it's THE REAL THING, it's truly something to behold. I think you have had some symptoms, but if it ever fully unleashes itself, you'll have to ask yourself how badly did you really want it. To be honest, I regret it sometimes. Or at least my "ego" does. An awakened kundalini is intent on destroying this ego state. Of course, one thing my guru warns me about is being attached to this phenomena. Luckily for me, I don't like it, since it interferes so much with normal existence. If you ever do have a bout of this again, you should go to kundalinisupport.com and contact my guru. She can help you with some questions you have about it. But seriously, I can't tell you how serious of a thing this is. Sometimes I wish it never happened. Sorry to say. The cool thing is I saw a documentary on it once. It mentioned the fact that we only use 10% of our brain. Well, supposedly once you become enlightened, you use the rest of it. Cool huh? Some researches say it's simply the next step in the evolution of human beings. We'll see.
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
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I've been undergoing a kundalini awakening for about 6 months now. It's a very terrifying experience at first and has shook me to my foundation as a human being.
A couple of years ago I decided to try meditation as a way to help relieve stress and promote health. I read it could help in those regards. I didn't do anything specific, other than just lie still and try not to think of anything.
I noticed during that time i would feel vibrations at times. I didn't think much of it.
More recently, however, things began happening. My hands started assuming different shapes, almost like they were doing some sort of sign language. It would happen spontaneously, once I entered a state of meditation that almost bordered on sleep. When it would happen, it would freak me out, but I was fascinated by it. This led me to want to meditate more, to see what other things would happen. (I would later find out that this sign language stuff was called "mudras". A lot of buhddist statues are shown doing these if you look closely)
Soon, I began doing kriyas, or what's known as yoga positions. Spontaneously, with no training whatsoever. I knew they were yoga when I did some research later. All of this would happen just as I would enter a deep state of meditation. I would just watch my body go, and let it do whatever it wanted. Another part of "me" was at work, but not the normal everyday "I" that gets up for work and crosses the street. It was quite surreal.
Well one day, the shit hit the fan. I felt like I was gagging or being choked and all the sudden i started chanting. My girlfriend typed in what I said at the time and it came back a Sanskrit Mantra.
This was the catalyst to what I now know as a full blown Kundalini Awakening. I couldn't stop chanting or doing yoga positions and began crying uncontrollably. At this time I thought I was being possesed by a demon, and all my old JW fears began to haunt me. No wonder they warned against meditation. I thought I was totally screwed. Luckily, my girlfriend was there to help, and I did have to call some friends. I was pretty embarrased. I LOST IT. I was totally not in control of my body. I was speaking in tounges and standing on my head.
A few days later, I went and saw a psychiratrist, thinking i was becoming shizophrenic. They told me the crying was normal, nothing major. As far as the other stuff was concerned, they could find no rational explanation. But they never gave me any medication, and instead referred me to a psychologist with a background in yoga.
After determining there wasn't anything clinically wrong with me, I was put in contact with a Hindu renunciate who lives nearby me. She's a specialist in this field. I've been seeing her, and my symptoms are much more controlled now. No spontaneous outbursts in public.
But I tell you, it's crazy. Especially considering the fact that I had gave up on religion all together when this started happening.
Apparently Kundalini isn't any different than what a Christian would call the Holy Spirit. It's just a different word from a different culture to describe it. It's function is to aid and force about a person's enlightenment.
You can sit on a rock like a buhddist and meditate or through the activation of Kundalini it can happen. In either case, it's not the phenomena that's important but rather the end result, which is union with God, and acheiving a God-Mind in human form. To be an Enlightened being.
In any case, I had no concious choice in it, it's just something that happened to me due to the fact it's something I was working towards in a previous life. Yes, I said previous life. Don't think I'm a cook. Remember, I voted for Bush 4 years ago. The last thing I ever expected was to be a new age freak.
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I Wanna Be Just Like Michael Moore!!!!
by ColdRedRain inwell, the part of him that makes documentries.
i'm not so sure about becoming overweight and neo-communist.
on a bikeride today, i was thinking how i could make a documentry about the dubs.
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I've made two documentaries as well as a feature film, which is now playing in several film festivals. The website is www.mcbeerbong.com
What you need is some basic camera equipment and an editing system. You'll want to at least have a 3CCD camera, which means 3 chip. Most cameras they sell in electronic stores are the 1 chip variety. 3CCD is entry level prosumer type. A Canon GL1 (Which is what I use) on EBAY goes for about a 1000.00. A Sony PD-150 or CANON XL-1 range from 2000-5000. Anything less and your movie will look like home video, i.e. shit.
Also, you'll need an editing system like Adobe Premeire. I use Final Cut Pro, since I'm an Apple user.
Once you do that, you'll need to be an honest and thought provoking director, and not a one sided neo communist like Michael Moore. In an recent interview with a US senator approached by Michael Moore during the filming of Farenheight 911, the US senator was pissed that MM had cut out an important bit of his dialouge during the interview. Apparently MM didn't like the answer he gave when asked whether he had a son fighting in Iraq. When he said he did, MM cut it out.
Michael Moore can be just as hypocritical as the right wing republicans he hates so much. Not to mention I can't stand looking at such a fat ugly f*ck for 90 minutes.
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Who is the most famous person you know or have met?
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just wondering what experiences you good folks have had with the the famous (or infamous)?
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GWENYTH PALTROW asked me where the bathroom was once.
YUJI OKUMOTO, star of Karate Kid 2, is a friend of mine and I plan on working on a movie with him soon. He recently had a bit part in Pearl Harbor, where he played a Zero pilot trying to shoot down Ben Affleck.