Posts by gdt

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WTBTS Website Now Features Entire NWT

by Corvin in

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http://www.watchtower.org/library/rbi8/

this is interesting.. corvin

gdt

Corvin,

It is impossible to read your comments without feeling the bitterness and hate you must have, every one of those verses is true (even using NWT)...just because you now disagree with the applications and the settings, does not justify surely such untrue statements you feel have to be made against the society..

Hey - 'go and build an ark'...also true, doesn't apply to anyone else than Noah though. Just tell me where you have found the 'whole asscociation of brothers in the world' (Peter), and it will be easier to listen to you. geoff. gdt.

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A Letter from A Witness

by cruzanheart in

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friends

one of my witness friends in england told a friend of hers out in service about how i'm not going to meetings anymore, what a shame, etc., etc., so this well-meaning little person decided she wanted to write me a letter.

i asked why, and she told me the story of this young man.

remember how i was able to leave the matter of my husband?s relationship with jehovah in his hands?

gdt

Nina, may I add just a thought of the deep respect you have received from the group here, I too feel very much for you, and respect you for not being bitter and twisted, just realistic, and keeping your faith and love of God intact. Hardly any of us go through life unscathed, but it is proper to expect more from those who profess more! Your truthful expressions are very obvious, and I ask you please to accept my warmest thoughts as a brother in the truth, trying to be more thoughtful and kind. geoff. gdt.

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No judicial action, even with 2+ witnesses

by cyberguy in

this is a paragraph from

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1a/article_01.htm

if the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way.

gdt

thanks big tex, i have read only about 100 pages on this subject and there are thousands. suffice to say how difficult it must be to find a 'specialist' who knows the human mind! cheers, gdt

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No judicial action, even with 2+ witnesses

by cyberguy in

this is a paragraph from

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1a/article_01.htm

if the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way.

gdt

Please will you all search the web for medical conclusions on 'repressed memories'...not the memory carried through life but a 'popped up' memory helped by some modern-day medicos..........and don't condemn the society. condemn the mind specialists who have concluded that nothing can be guaranteed from statements of 'repressed memory'. what else can the society conclude? that they know better? hardly. It is hard not to be annoyed at such arrogant condemnatory conclusions and misleading settings used by those posting on this subject. If you can't find the reports from the top psychiatrists etc, pm me please. gdt

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IS IT TRUE & SHOULD WE OBEY IT?

by gdt in

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friends

my mother said 'if you can't say anything good about anyone (thing), don't say anything bad'!.

true?

a lot would need to change in our comments and attitudes, surely.. false?

gdt

Can only say most observations come over very sound, and true. the only perception could be that the 'vengeance is mine, I will repay' statement is from God, not any of us, so an element of care needs to be included in our reactions one would think. thanks you for sharing thoughts. personally I have always loudly objected to whomsoever is in authority if I feel injustice is done, and several of your posts highlighted for example the need to identify wrongdoers, to the correct authorities who can accept responsibility for action. Interesting life eh?
Cheers, gdt.

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IS IT TRUE & SHOULD WE OBEY IT?

by gdt in

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friends

my mother said 'if you can't say anything good about anyone (thing), don't say anything bad'!.

true?

a lot would need to change in our comments and attitudes, surely.. false?

gdt

My mother said 'if you can't say anything good about anyone (thing), don't say anything bad'!

True? A lot would need to change in our comments and attitudes, surely.

False? Let's keep up the rage.....

And in the final analysis, what would the Creator want for us all to do?

I sincerely want to hear your feedback on this principle.

Cheers, gdt.

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Why this is not xjw forum

by kls in

i used to wonder why with so many xjws on here ,or nearly xjws on this forum ,why it was not named so .

that way we would not have so many troll's and practicing jws come on this site looking for people in their own religion ( cough ) .

now when i see a newbie join and they are practicing jws ,i think maybe just maybe by them not knowing most here are out of the cult and they read the threads posted by so many knowing and knowledgable people on the forum ,that some may log off and actually think of some things that have seen.

gdt

and kls, please be assured, that I have not been commanded to do anything by the WTS, if God saw fit to have recorded black and white principles in Scripture, and I take that as a command, and harmonize with similar believers, you are in great error to suggest i or any witness is 'commanded' not to go to war, etc. And whilst at it, how would you handle your family who wanted to associate with drug dealers, child molesters, drunks, totally immoral people?? Would you not try to have your children 'shun' such association? (note I did not include those whose beliefs vary....unless they did publicly say 'i believe' then denied their sincerity.) Don't get angry with me, just kind! gdt.even if you do consider me an enemy.

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Why this is not xjw forum

by kls in

i used to wonder why with so many xjws on here ,or nearly xjws on this forum ,why it was not named so .

that way we would not have so many troll's and practicing jws come on this site looking for people in their own religion ( cough ) .

now when i see a newbie join and they are practicing jws ,i think maybe just maybe by them not knowing most here are out of the cult and they read the threads posted by so many knowing and knowledgable people on the forum ,that some may log off and actually think of some things that have seen.

gdt

KLS Kathy,

it is a shame you feel so bitterly, and because your husband may still wish to remain an active witness is no reason to pour scorn on everything connected with the witnesses. We are not as bad as you obviously think and say. If you want a truck load of good experiences by good people over the years, you are welcome, but will you be willing to listen ? Is it not true that the Creator deserves some recognition from creation? What are you doing about that? What am I doing? (don't answer, nor will I, too subject to condemnation/etc.)

But please be prepared to be more kind and reasonable, if that is possible. It is much easier sitting back condemning, than it is putting one's shoulder to the task of being kind to all, in a very unkind world. You are most welcome to use my pm or email if you wish, but be kind, as mini pointedly said to all on the board. Cheers, geoff.

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Why this is not xjw forum

by kls in

i used to wonder why with so many xjws on here ,or nearly xjws on this forum ,why it was not named so .

that way we would not have so many troll's and practicing jws come on this site looking for people in their own religion ( cough ) .

now when i see a newbie join and they are practicing jws ,i think maybe just maybe by them not knowing most here are out of the cult and they read the threads posted by so many knowing and knowledgable people on the forum ,that some may log off and actually think of some things that have seen.

gdt

Just had to say Thank you for the understanding and goodness and kindness shown in many of your posts, I have always loved the truth as understood by the organization, and where and when it has been wrong does not alter the need for kindness to each other. As a witness I have to say how awful it makes one feel at the hurt and the pain some go through, be it our own fault or well-meaning family and friends or opposers,but still wrong. However, human frailty does not make excuse for accepting 'hell-fire, trinity, immortal soul, involvement in armed forces, racial disharmony, political hate, unkindness even to those making themselves our 'enemies', and etc.

Let's do what one of you said : 'be kind'.

gdt.

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

gdt

Why ask the Pharisees what Jesus did or said? Suggestion - get the 2003 CD rom from the society from your family/friends and check it out yourself.....so many wrong conclusions here I somehow think what is true is not important to so many anymore, just what can be done to make things worse.....just my opinion, gdt.