which one of you guys is on your way to Iraq, after killing 6.5m (another 500,000 last year for you to 'kill' ) lovely, somebody must be proud of you. gdt
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
True, God gave us 2 ears, only one mouth, I'll try hard to do as you say, in the meantime, I am sure you will take special care of yourself and your kids/grandkids. All the best, geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
Hi there 'mystery'...noted your thoughts, and I must say Australians (or for that matter any nationality)are no more open-minded and caring, or narrow and extreme, than any others. There are those here who are very hard, taking 'suggestions' from the Society, as rules of God himself. So don't feel Aussies are a bunch of 'goodies'.....ask Aussiepost!!
However, 'one man eats meat, another eats vegetables'. I have concluded that any black and white unquestioned law of God should be followed as best as a human can, and interpretation is just that....the scriptures themselves do not have a clause saying 'but with immediate families this has a different meaning'. So I feel that if an instruction has qualifications and needs to be applied, then it is possible that application may well be wrong. (hence the Society has never said to ignore human kindness to one's immediate family...it can't ever do that....as an example the Bible simply says of some former believers that we should 'not eat with such a man'.........but the Society has applied that to mean 'does not refer to one's immediate family', hence df'd wives or husbands must still be treated by the believer in all the ways required by Christ Jesus, including 'eating with'....so there are many instructions from God but we need discernment to apply them.
I would suggest that you ask the family members in the truth who are shunning you (??) to show you exactly where the Society has specifically said to shun their flesh and blood, or in fact humans in general. This is a totally different matter than subjecting onesself to purposeful and hurtful anti-god, anti-christ ideas which some have, so I would not accept the need to have a former relative who was in the truth allowed to push his ideas on me, but I would do everything possible to show human kindness which does not include shunning.
Or better still, 'mediator', check yourself on the CD rom etc the latest information on how to treat dfd or dassoc. relatives spiritually and as fellow humans....there is a major difference between 'shunning (never want to see you or help you), and 'shunning (don't want to share your wicked thinking).
Have I made any sense? As I said to Gary on your post (sorry if that is really wrong) none of us bring the sun up, and we have to 'love our enemies', not just our friends or relatives.
Cheers, and we Aussies are not any better or worse than you guys, believe me. We have travelled a lot in the past and enjoyed all nationalities in or out of the truth. Stop worrying!! ok? just be nice.
bye, geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
Hello there Gary, I am worrying about your 'mind' and also about me jumping subjects on this thread, but I just couldn't help but assure 'mystery' to stop worrying, nobody brings the sun up....true? Well unless you and I have some control and power........ anyway, cheers, talk to you later, and I do appreciate the replies and trust a swell of kindness washes over all you guys hurting over there!.
gdt geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
Hi Gary, no after, and I've not heard of any df'd ones make it back on circuit work, as elders and ms's, but I understand that the circuit overseer represents the society....represents God?.. and I personally would have no problem with such a situation, especially an example of humility, forgiveness by the rank and file etc etc, I could think of many good reasons as no doubt you could, but on the other hand they would take the view that if (like me) a brother was on the circuit work after 10 years of pioneering etc, and failed to uphold the right principles, he could perhaps do it again..???? After talking about Hosea chapt 11 and Jonah chapt.4, to know how God feels about people .......a heavy call (in my opinion) not to use anyone like me after 18 years of being 'half alright!!' ,anyway, just my thoughts. are you OK? hope so, cheers, geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
ps sorry for the mis-spelling...blame the typist!
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
It was so nice to have a reply from you, and to know a little more of the background of your life too. As to the major point you mention, where have you read the the 'nice, kind etc etc' person who we see every day is going to be killed by God? The simplest answer is to let the Judge worry about that, and guess what? That Judge is not me, not you, not any of the brothers, not the Society, the only words we have from the creator are in Scripture, and even that is subject to various understandings, as you know.
I think of several things. There is going to time when the Judhe acts. It could be toady, tomorrow, ages away, and who knows? Only the Father. In the meantime, for all of us 'be awake', but 'stop judging, lest we be judged'. I also think of the verses in Thessalonions speaking about the two classes whom Jesus will turn his attention to, 1stly the ones who do not know, 2ndly, the ones who do not obey....
So who are those? Not your or my business, is it. If we read how God feels, He doesn't want any to be destroyed, but wants all to attain to repentance. If we don't, what next? In other words, if we are kind, nice, humble, sorry for any wrongs, at least he should have hope. true?
Howabout just read Hosea chapter 11, and Jonah chapt 4, and see how you would answer that major question you mentioned to me........and would you be good enough to share your thoughts please?
It was really nice to hear from you, it seems you are worrying too much about matters you shouldn't be, I do the same, so it's the pot calling the kettle black here! But my wife and I are just doing our best to help people, not be their judge. We were df'd years ago after an awful time in my life, but it is not a cloud over us, been reinstated for 18 yrs, there would no doubt be a few still critical, as we hurt a few family members by our wrongdoing at the time, but ---- those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....true?
Take care and thank you,
gdt geoff.
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Will the shunning began?
by Mystery ini fade over 20 years ago.
moved 800 miles from my jw family.
i see them about once a year.
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gdt
hello there 'mystery'.....wonderful news.......just some more pleasures and pains, but isn't that life? anyway, i just felt that your question deserved more than outright bitterness or almost hatefulness about the horrible, disgusting, evil, hurtful, unloving witnesses....please don't judge jesus by judas.
when even the saviour himself could not get a bunch of decent people around him sometimes, what hope is there for anyone today? I am a witness, have been a long time, could write this letter forever telling you of the nice, kind, helpful, endearing, loving, generous, kind etc etc spirited peope and actions of so many beautiful people in 'the truth' trying so hard to be good. surely this includes your family or at least some of them!
and (my tuppence worth) if after so many years you have been away , please don't think today's responsible brothers are there to hurt or punish you or your family.
i would like to suggest, rather than ignore your family or the brothers, just be plain truthful, just say you have tried hard, you are going to be there for your kids, you feel like the need for a 'good samaritan', is there any around? or something like that. you may well be surprised. i do trust that if you decide to go that direction, you are treated with respect and kindness, not threats or any hurtful words to anyone.
please let me know what happens, i have faith in the organization/brothers doing most things right and kind, even though it does not seem many others do.
kind regards, gdt. geoff.
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It's payback time !! (For all you blondes out there).
by hubert ini get a lot of blonde jokes.
but this is the first one i got that is the opposite response of what you expect.
so this is for you blondes.
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gdt
kls, you seem very nice.....a blonde joke 'in reverse'...got it? who was smarter than the lawyer??
Cheers. gdt
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I got backmy sick son,,, just to lose the rest ofmy family
by wildfire ini am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
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gdt
wildfire, geoff again. i just read your biography (to try and see where you live actually), and i notice you write intense poetry. guess what? so does my son i was telling you about, he'd love to be a journalist or writer and has quite a library of poems, but my son , whilst not autistic or obviously backward, may have 'aspergers syndrome' as he has trouble coordinating as in trying to play tennis, but if you could help him in any way you know how i would feel as a silly old father... been to all the specialists etc, somehow think plain down to earth humans are better?????
cheers, geoff.