Posts by dorayakii

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Why did Jehovah give the job of writing the BIBLE to the Catholics?

by gumby in

this is a thread which was inspired by our own hot little mary.. jehovahs witnesses claim that since pentecost of 33 c.e., there has been a faithful and discreet slave class that was appointed by jesus himself and that this slave class was "entrusted" with all of jesus belongings ( dispensing spiritual food to his followers and the rest of mankind).

oddly, when it came to gods own word to mankind being compiled ( the bible), ......jehovah chose the catholic church to dispense, audit, compile his message!

imagine that!

dorayakii

*** si p. 302 Study Number 4—The Bible and Its Canon ***
17 The Roman Catholic Church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the Bible canon, and reference is made to the Council of Carthage (397 C.E.), where a catalog of books was formulated. The opposite is true, however, because the canon, including the list of books making up the Christian Greek Scriptures, was already settled by then, that is, not by the decree of any council, but by the direction of God’s holy spirit—the same spirit that inspired the writing of those books in the first place.

Well i'm sorry but this statement is just stupid. A simple question to the WTS: Did the Council of Carthage actually compile the Bible canon? If the answer is yes, then they must have done it through "Holy Spirit". If the answer is no, then whoever DID compile it must've done so through "Holy Spirit". The next question is, who did it?

In one breath they say the Council of Carthage DID comile the canon (Reference is made to the Council of Carthage where a catalog of books was formulated)... Then in the next breath it seems as if the WTS is denying that the Council actually compiled the Bible. (The cannon was already settled by then by God's Holy Spirit). You could go round and round in circles trying to figure out who did what and then dismissing ideas which don't conform to what you "believe"...

The whole paragraph is paradoxical because it just assumes that mentionning the word "Holy Spirit" will settle all questions that the reader will have. (How did they do that?... oh, it was by Holy Spirit... oh i seeee, silly me). A convenient solution to the circular reasoning... All questions stopped...

They should reason like this: Who was it that recieved the "Holy Spirit" in order to know which books were canonical? Well it wasn't the *Catholic* Council of Carthage, so it must've been someone faithful before them. Who it actually was we really don't know. So how can we have faith, that that *mysterious* person actually had "Holy Spirit"? They answer is, we can't, it could have been a *wicked misleading antichrist* who wished to decieve God's people. But it couldn't have been, because God is stong enough to protect his Word against the Devil. So he could have usd the *apostate Catholic* Council of Carthage to protect the Word by forming the canon...

If we reject the Council we're f****d, if we accept the Council we're f****d.

The problem for them, is that the so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave" wasn't a line of faithful followers of Christ who protected the Bible up until Charles T Russell... all the people who protected the "Word" belonged to *evil, apostate, pagan-influenced, false religious Churches*, but they can't compliment them on bringing the Bible to them, so they have to fabricate stories about a *ephmeral but temporally ubiquitous FDS* and equally ephemeral *Holy Spirit* guiding them throughout the ages... a pathetic, pitiful attempt at salvaging a concept...

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Quick Way To Shoo Away JWs

by Bstndance in

jw
friends

so last weekend i'm heading out of my apartment for a lunch date.

as i am walking down the sidewalk to my car, two men in suits with bookbags walking towards me try to start a conversation by saying "excuse me" with big smiles.

i just walked by them and said "i'm an apostate".

dorayakii

Here's another idea. As they approach, let some drool fall out of your mouth, mess up your hair, and shout, "What do you want with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time? If you drive us out, send us into a herd of pigs." Then start making wild gestures and odd noises. If you burst out laughing, it's ok because it'll seem like maniacal laughter. All the better if you can make it sound like "muuuaahaaahaaaa" They will think you're possessed by a boatload of demons and they'll run screaming.

ROFLMAO @ rebel8 i almost fell off my chair at that one.

I know what you could do, repeat everything they say after them. If it doesn't make them realise that what they are saying is stupid, then at least it'll leave an uncomfortable silence in which you can just stare passively and innocently at them... Imagine the conversation...

Them: Good Morning Sir

You: Ah, Good Morning Sir

Them: Have you ever wondered why there is so much wickedness in the world today?

You: Have YOU ever wondered why there is so much wickedness in the world today?

Them: Well yes, thats why we have an answer based on the Bible. Its found at 2 Timothy 3:16 and it prophesys the period of time known as the "Last Days"... May i read it to you?

You: Well WE have an answer based on 2 Timothy *wotsit* which prophesys some... thing about the Last Days... May I read it to YOU?

*Awkward silence while you try to out-stare them*

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WTS Letter to Congregations re. HLC

by doinmypart in

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the christian congregation of jw sent a letter to all congregations regarding hospital liaison committees.

this letter will be read the week of january 30, 2006. i can email a pdf of the letter to someone willing to post it here.

dorayakii

8. Can any doctor or hospital give complete assurance that blood or blood fractions will not be used in treatment of a minor?

Luna2: Okay, that's confusing. I thought blood fractions were okay? Have they backtracked on that?

The new no-blood card gives the Witness a choice, it says:

3. Regarding minor fractions of blood (for example albumin, coagulation factors, immunoglobins): [Initial one of the three choices below.]
(a)_____ I refuse all
(b)_____ I accept all
(c)_____ I want to qualify either (3a) or (3b) above and my treatment choices are as follows:
___________________________________________________________________________

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IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

by DannyHaszard in

religion today

monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

dorayakii

This letter has already been read out to my congregation. The Presiding Overseer read it last night at our Wednesday evening service meeting. I was dozing tho, so didn't pay enough attention to realise it was something important... We've had about 3 no-blood talks since the beginning of the year, its just getting ridiculous... If they start to do inspections of who does or doesn't own a no-blood card, i'm gonna be in a lot of trouble, lol... The new-style 2006 version of the card is quite interesting tho (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/104206/1.ashx), it gives one the choice to accept or reject minor blood fractions and autologous procedures, whereas the old-style one is more dogmatic. It does though give consent to members of the Hospital Liaison Committee to access one's medical records.

I've just printed out the article from the Washington Post and the letter itself in PDF format.

Tomorrow i will be photocopying them and sending them with a cover letter to as many local and national newspapers as i can find the addresses for.

I'll also email a copy of the PDF and the links to the articles to Stephen Bates, Religious Correspondant of the Guardian newspaper.

Thanks for this Danny, your work is much appreciated.

' Yaki

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Is this prophecy by Jesus trustworthy?

by scout575 in

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friends

in the last chapter of the bible jesus is three times portrayed as saying: "i come quickly.

" the last of these three statements actually reads: "surely i come quickly.

" ( rev 22:7, 12, 20 ) does the passage of nearly 2000 years since those words were written indicate that this bible prophecy is trustworthy?

dorayakii

Short answer to your question: we believe that Jesus was some type of advanced alien and may have had considerable travel time even at light speed to reach his 'father' (Ha'Sha-Lemech). Also the transit time would be doubled for the return trip(Rature aka Ram'la'Kelza.

Right on! Tell us more about this advanced alien theory (py'le'o'poop') and where can I buy a return ticket? (ram'a'lama'ding'dong)!!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROFLMFAO!! we sure do have some characters here on JWD...

But I can see why the answer might be no for those who choose to have a one dimentional reading, and discount the commonly accepted view that all scriptures have several levels of meaning .

There are always excuses, for the inaction of Bible prophecies, an invisible presence, a presence in your heart . I could chose any of the millions of prophecies of any number of religions and say that they are being looked at 1-dimensionally. A multi-dimensional reading would read all kinds of things into the text that weren't originally intended. Think back to the Nostradamus' prophecies, you can "predict" 9/11 and Diana's death from those. NYC in the webdings font is a skull and crossbones, a Star of David, and a thumbs-up symbol... Its just a coincidence if it happens, and just life if it doesn't happen. I personally attach no value to prophecies written 2 thousand years ago by a jewish man who claimed to be the Son of God. its not my culture, its not my time. You say that "the destruction of the state of Israel and the origin of Christianity in which Christ rules as liberator and king, happens within one generation of Christ's words in the gospel - pretty quick!", but did conditions really get better after this "enthronement"? What is it abouts Christ's "reign" that begun then that is so brilliant and revolutionary that you can actually use that as evidence that Jesus came quickly? I could just as well write a book and claim that (1) i will come along "quickly", (2) that 1,000,000 years equal a day for me, and (3) that i am in people's heart, and it could probably start a worldwide religion, but it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to the fact that i aint coming back. 2000 years / 2 days, really, so what?

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Linkin' Park - Numb - hits home

by TheListener in

jw
friends

i really love this song and have been meaning to post the lyrics for some time.

everytime i hear this song it hits home for me.

for those of us who have family in the truth but have chosen our own separate path - this is for us.

dorayakii

I had exactly the same thought when that song first came out.

Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" also touches me for more reasons than one. A good friend of mine sent me this song when it had just come out and i was just so taken aback by it. It has so much energy, but not blind hate and rage. I couldn't cry as i think i've lost the ability to now, but words cant explain how much this song moves what's left of my heart.

KELLY CLARKSON"Because Of You"

I will not make the same mistakes that you did
I will not let myself cause my heart so much misery
I will not break the way you did, You fell so hard
I've learned the hard way, To never let it get that far

Because of you, I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you, I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you, I find it hard to trust not only me, but everyone around me
Because of you, I am afraid

I lose my way, and it's not too long before you point it out
I cannot cry, because I know that's weakness in your eyes
I'm forced to fake, a smile, a laugh everyday of my life
My heart can't possibly break, when it wasn't even whole to start with

Because of you, I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you, I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you, I find it hard to trust not only me, but everyone around me
Because of you, I am afraid

I watched you die, I heard you cry every night in your sleep
I was so young, you should have known better than to lean on me
You never thought of anyone else, you just saw your pain
And now I cry in the middle of the night, for the same damn thing

Because of you, I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you, I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you, I try my hardest just to forget everything
Because of you, I don't know how to let anyone else in Because of you, I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty
Because of you, I am afraid....

Because of you.... Because of you....

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JW dating website?

by Darth Yhwh in

jw
friends

im sure that this has been a topic here before, but i stumbled across this website and thought that it was pretty interesting.

i happed to see one guy's profile and thought that it was pretty pathetic.

browse around and let me know what your opinions are.

dorayakii

http://jw-connect.com/index.php?page=register
As part of our process of helping keep our site strictly for true Jehovah's Witnesses we are asking you to enter the following before proceeding:

Please enter the first song number of the service meeting as listed in the November 2005 Kingdom Ministry for the week of the 28th: username/password

LOOOOOL, i have no words for this, but for anyone who wants to sign in, the answer is Song 7... I went on this site before aaaages ago... and the question was "What does PO stand for?", hahaha lmfao

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Uses of The 4th Dimension (Einstein was wrong!)

by use4d in

since i discovered the 4th dimension, one of the conclusions i have reached is, the 4th dimension is an infinite access to the truth.

throughout this website, i use the term "i wish" - it is really a way to voice a person's desire - and from the work i have done - it really works.

from the saying: "ask and you shall receive", i have understood that any human being can make an infinity of "wishes" and receive the truth (the correct answer) to every question they may have, in the form of a dream - that same night.

dorayakii

I read that QM and elementary particles are weird. No, bt they are strange. The strange quark is a second-generation quark with a charge of -(1/3)e and a strangeness of -1.

I'm sorry this was a bad joke. I was not refering to the EPR effect or whatever. I was refering to a quark with a property that is called strangeness. The name of the of teh quark is strange quark. That is why I put hat smily at the end. Bad joke, sorry

Don't worry Danny, i got it... and i'm quite ashamed to say that i did chuckle... Theres also a charm quark... but i can't think of a good enough joke for that one so i'll leave it for now, lol

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Uses of The 4th Dimension (Einstein was wrong!)

by use4d in

since i discovered the 4th dimension, one of the conclusions i have reached is, the 4th dimension is an infinite access to the truth.

throughout this website, i use the term "i wish" - it is really a way to voice a person's desire - and from the work i have done - it really works.

from the saying: "ask and you shall receive", i have understood that any human being can make an infinity of "wishes" and receive the truth (the correct answer) to every question they may have, in the form of a dream - that same night.

dorayakii

I have a tendancy to get a bit lost when discussions slip down from the observable and mathematical, into the hypothetical and immeasurable, because contradictory states begin to pop up everywhere.

It has been said that nothing exists independant from the observer, but i'm not sure that that is actually what the most prominent theory is at the moment. If you think of the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment, the matter in question was the actual state of the cat, and not whether the cat actually existed in the first place, that was never called into question. In a similar way, particles can exist without an observer, but in all possible states, they only fall into one state or the other because of the "interference" of observation. Its like a thin coin placed on its edge which can fall either way with equal probability when it is pushed forward (but obviously this is never going to be a perfectly accurate analogy because of the fact that different laws govern the macroscopic).

If we deny the existence of particles without an observer, we risk falling into the range of the uncalculable and the purel philosophical. Things tend to get very contradictory when we start moving in this direction, trying to combine philosophy with physics and mathematics...

Just a question to think about. What serves as an observer ? If nothing cannot exist without an observer, what then is the observer itself ? Does it exist ?

If it doesn't exist the how does anything exist? We then have to delve into Buddhist philosophy to find out if there is a "lone-observer" if everythig exists only as an illusion, or whether it only comes into being when the observer observes it.

ps. I haven't had time to read all of your posts Terry, but you've raised some interesting points. I think i agree with you on most points, but i'm not 100% confortable with your analogies.

I love your analogy of the space-less sentence... and i agree with you on the time travel issue. The me of "now" is different from the me of 5 minutes ago. It is different in Time, and "could" be different also in Space. Just as the same atoms can only exist in one Place at one Time, they can only exist in one Time at one Place. Travelling in Time would mean a violation of E=MC2 in that matter would be created in the desination time, and destroyed at the origin time.

Abstract reasoning. Here is the quicksand. Man's mind can create castles in the air which he then tries to inhabit. Scientists pack their suitcase and charter a jet, but, there is no e.t.a.
All conversations about DIMENSIONS (when it goes beyond the observable) is conjecture and science is comfortable talking about it. All I am pointing out here is that science is never FINAL or SETTLED.Don't step in quicksand too quickly.

Well yes, hyper-demensional theory is "castles-in-the air", but not in the same way religious beliefs are "castles-in-the air". There is a reason for hypothesising the hyper-demensions. Just as the presence of an unseen star is surmised from aa neighbouring stars wobble, the higher-dimensions go some way to explaining why particles behave in the way that they do.

Even though i agree with you on your refution of decoherance theory, i'm not sure that is constitutes "mysticism".

I'm not sure that the clock analogy applies on a sub-atomic level either. Like the clock analogy, particles are what physicists actually measure in order to percieve (through mathematics) the dimensions. However, clock parts work together and have been put there by the clock-maker in order to measure Time in the way we experience it. The clock is a fuctional object and would exist even of Time was to stop, in which case it would cease to funtion. Particles work in an almost contrary way. They exist in the dimensions, and are an inextractable part of them. The absence of particles "in" a dimension, means that the dimension itself ceases to exist.

A clock does not create Time, it mearely measures it. Particles do both, they both create and can measure dimensions. Measurement does not create, and since i believe that obsevation equals measurement, then observation does not create either.

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Naughty Japanese defy WBTS and enter college.

by imfreeimfree in

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friends

i was talking to a longtime faithful japanese jw who said that recently there are many young witnesses going to university.

" what about the recent dc and circuit assembly talks as well as the watchtowers, very firmly discouraging college.

the reply was " yes they are hearing but not doing "

dorayakii

Most of the points i wanted to make about the conformist culture nd impeccable dedication of the Japanese have already been made, but, ijust wanted to add a little two-pence...

Many factors have lead to Japan taking so strongly to the WT cult, but these very factors may also be the downfall of the "Monominotou Seisho Sasshi Kyokai" (Watchtower Bible and Booklet Association).

Japanese culture is based on a strong in-group mentality, where Japan itself is a giant architypical in-group to the exclusion of all other nations. The family unit and the company in which you work, play a huge role in this in-group mentality.

The JW destruction of families, has also made it very unpopular in a country where the family is the basis for society, and the first in-group to which a Japanese person belongs.

The pioneer-to-publisher rate in Japan is extremely high, due to congregational pressure to "do more" combounded by the traditional Japanese pressure "ganbatte" or "do your very best".

Japanese society traditionally prejudices those who do not conform to the societal norms. The JWs refusal to salute flags, to sing the national anthem and to celebrate holidays leaves them open to much ridicule, and not surprisingly, in a country where the suicide rate is probably the highest in the world, the suicide rate among Jehovah's Witness youths in Japan is shockingly high. Jehovah's Witnesses students recieve 100 times more traumatic experiences in Japan that they do in the UK or the US, not to mention the pressure added due to the fact that many Japanese schools refuse to issue a student with a diploma if they have not gained the sufficient amount of points which would have been gained by practicing Judo or Kendo.

The case of the 10-year old boy Dai Suzuki, who died in 1985 because of blood loss, caused an uproar in the Japanese media. The parents would have felt extremely pressured by their congragation to refuse the blood, counting it as not only as a sin against "Ehoba" (Jehovah) but as a grave dishonour and shame on their own heads. On a positive note though, the public shame heaped upon the parents of young Dai, would have discouraged many people form even considering joining the cult or entertaining JW preachers on their doorsteps...

Many witnesses in Japan are at an impasse, the consequences of being shunned far graver than in the West. For many their only way to success is to pursue further and higher education.