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  New York New York

  by SixofNine in

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  six and fosl (the fruit of six's loins) will be visiting nyc between dec 27 and jan 1 (fosl's b-day present).. please share your thoughts on where to go, what to see, what to do.. i'd love to meet up with any nyc apostates as well.

  contact me via e-mail if you're interested.

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  My favorite night club is Cafe Wha? on McDougal street in Greenwich Village. Check it out - you won't be dissappointed!
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  Will the guilt pass?

  by rebel in

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  "and let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom.....".

  i didn't go to the meeting today (again) and i felt dreadful.

  my family went and i stayed behind.

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  I can relate. That's pretty much how I was feeling about my life for a whole year prior to leaving. Felt like I was living the JW lifestyle for the sake of my family and friends. That wasn't being true to myself though. As much as I love my family and friends, to belong to an organization I don't agree with is not right. It's giving a false pretense of myself, and that bothered me more than anything else. I'll never forget the last meeting I attended - knowing it was the last time I'd ever see a lot of those people, and knowing it was my last meeting as an active Witness. I even gave the closing prayer. I was extremely anxious to get on with my life, but it was difficult to leave behind hundreds of really good, close friends.

  If you have serious doubts about the faith, you should research them to the best of your ability and then make a stand either with the Witnesses or without. I'll tell you one thing, I will not begin to pretend that I didn't have very good times while being a Witness, however the happiness I have now is uncomparable. The only times I'm unhappy is when I think about the friendships lost, but I can only hope that maybe someday some of those, if not all of them, will be restored. Decisions like these aren't easy, but being true to myself means a heck of a lot to me. I do not like to be mis-represented in any way, and being one of Jehovah's Witnesses went against so many things that I felt were right. Gotta do what you gotta do. I'm sure others will have encouraging things to say as well. Hang in there!!

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  This is unRAEL

  by donkey in

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  anyone followed the raelians?

  i find them fascinating.

  http://www.rael.org.

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  Neyank, very good points - very well stated. I agree with your outlook 100%.

  There are so many different things that could or could not be, could have happened or possibly didn't...there are millions of righteous-hearted people in the world who want the answers, the truth. And there are thousands of different avenues one can take to get that truth. I think a truly loving God would take into consideration the fact that our history is murky, and that due to thousands of different speculations, research articles, religions, etc. it is very difficult for a human to come to a firm conclusion of what is truth and factual. That's why what's important to me is one's heart condition, not what religion they belong to, which Bible they read or whether or not they believe in God. We can speculate for hours on end, but the only way we'll ever know how life got here and whether or not there is a God or aliens is when the time comes when He or they make it known. If one has a good heart and makes an effort to seek out the truth, I can't imagine what God could want more from anyone. I guess time will tell...

  I wonder why the belief in the supernatural, gods, etc. was evidently really strong thousands of years ago, and now the average person thinks it's all fictitious. Wonder what happened through the years.....
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  This is unRAEL

  by donkey in

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  anyone followed the raelians?

  i find them fascinating.

  http://www.rael.org.

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  Dirfya,

  We could go back and forth on this one for hours - the credibility of the Bible is highly debatable. Islam say the Koran is inspired as well, and to prove it they show how the frequency of the name Allah is used througout the book in mathematical, complicated ways that only God could ever think of. So what makes the Bible God's inspired word and not the Koran, eh?

  Of the "Seeing is Believing" Class.

  :-P
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  This is unRAEL

  by donkey in

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  anyone followed the raelians?

  i find them fascinating.

  http://www.rael.org.

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  Yes we can be sure that he hasn't, other than the angels that is. Sure, it's obvious that the universe is simply too vast for God not to have that in mind, but he had to START populating the planets somewhere ....... didn't he? Why is it so difficult for you to see that the earth was the starting point? Why do you insist that God has ALREADY populated other parts of the universe? The Bible itself disproves such a theory.

  WHAT? And what profound proof is there that the earth was the first life created in the whole universe?
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  This is unRAEL

  by donkey in

  1. jw
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  anyone followed the raelians?

  i find them fascinating.

  http://www.rael.org.

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  whyhideit,

  that crystallinks site is interesting! Atlantis and the Bermuda Triangle have always intrigued me. The talk about the powers of crystals is intriguing as well. Thanks for the link....

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  This is unRAEL

  by donkey in

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  anyone followed the raelians?

  i find them fascinating.

  http://www.rael.org.

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  My thoughts on these guys:

  • I like their concept of God - advanced, intelligent life that created life here as a project. I dunno...somehow I can buy into that easier than the omniscient, omnipotent supernatural God of the Bible. The idea that life as we know it in this part of the universe started by advanced life forms from another part of the universe doesn't seem like an impossible feat to me at all. There MUST be something out there somewhere. I can't say I believe that's what happened - I'm just open to the idea of it.
  • I'm very wary to believe any concept that involves the following of a man or group of men because they have been "chosen." After reading the whole site, I was amazed at how well thought-out everything was - it's a great story and actually made me think about a few things. Like I can totally understand how ancient humankind would call extraterrestial life "God" or refer to a group of them as "Gods." But it just seems like there would be concrete proof of aliens by now if they really existed. It's really something to think about though - if the government did have concrete proof of aliens, if they released this to the public, there's no telling what the reaction would be. At any rate, until they come take over the world, I have no choice but to think there are none to be concerned about. Seeing is believing, right? I don't see how anyone can proof there are none either. Just because we've never seen them doesn't prove anything.

  I find no harm in this concept though - unlike the JW's. It's not a philosophy that's crammed down your throat - there's nothing there saying you'll die if you don't join (if my memory serves correctly)....definitely interesting reading material IMO to stretch your mind out into other concepts.

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  Where is God?

  by donkey in

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  why does god allow this stuff?

  according to your teachings, believers, just so he can stroke himself and show how man has failed.

  in fact believers will read this stuff and shrug it off because in the future god will fix it it and it just proves why we need god..

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  Actually, MY God did intervene... on my behalf. He has... and still does. Whenever I call on Him to do so. Why? Because I am in a COVENANT where He has obligated Himself to do so! I keep my part; He keeps his. But I cannot see where you... or any others who wrongly accuse Him... show Him OBLIGATED to intervene on behalf of everyone.

  Aguest,

  So is it safe to conclude that from your point of view, if you believe in God and are faithful to him, he will intervene and protect you from atrocities? Jehovah the God of Israel protected his people from harm, yet I don't see Him doing so for any earthly organization professing to serve him today. There are tons of honest-hearted Christians and other denominations in existence today that profess exclusive devotion to their God, yet tragedies happen to them too. So where's the protection for believing? Where's the reward? The reward is faith in going down in the books as being righteous when it's all over? It all boils down to blind faith IMO

  If you've touched on this already in previous posts, I apologize - I read the whole thing and this is the only point that stood out as being unclear....
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  How NOT to be swindled or conned

  by YoursChelbie in

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  at this time of the year i like to contemplate on the lessons learned during the .

  previous year.

  i have a question for anyone wanting to share their own experiences: have you been swindled or conned this year or previously?

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  Lessons I've learned:

  1. NEVER buy from an unrated user on any online auction. I got ripped off by an identity theft. If the seller does not want to take steps to ensure his legitimacy, do not trust him/her.
  2. Do not trust "friends" with your personal belongings or possessions. Most people in the borg are honest-hearted, but that's not the case in the "world." You really have to pick and choose your associates - most with unstable lifestyles are prone to be untrustworthy; such has been my experience at least.
  3. Do not trust the Service Department of any automobile dealership. :-P It's better to find a trustworthy local mechanic for out of warranty issues. Dealerships will try to convince you something more is wrong with your car. They are very greedy for money and will take advantage of those who are not mechanically inclined. If you're not mechanically inclined and wish to work through a dealer, take someone with you that knows about cars.
  4. When making an agreement with someone that involves a significant amount of money, ALWAYS sign a contract.

  Just a few pointers. Hope they help....
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  Pathetic Effort To Destroy Silentlambs.org

  by onthego in

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  rather than focus on ted jarasz of the watchtower's gov body being openly accused as a child molestor and the like, some fruitcakes falsely claimed bill bowen, (the exposer of the wt's pedophile coverup policy) attacked ray franz and just today hint that perhaps he sabotaged his own silentlambs.org website.

  they also try to plant seeds of jealousy against bill bowen.

  this is a clear effort to try to play bill bowen against franz (both of whom oppose watchtower tyranny) and to destroy silentlambs.

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  MR Moe, I fail to see how this thread attacks SL. The poster was smearing the borg, not SL...???

  Would you like some nuts with your fruitcake?

  bound to find an assortment of nuts round these parts, that's for sure! :-P