6 reasons why so many allies want bush to slow down .
by johanna mcgeary.
sunday, january 26, 2003.
Sargon,
If that was a little to vicious, my apologies. SORRY!!!
Roybatty,
That still doesn't answer any questions posed. Nothing indicated sitting back and doing nothing at all. Unless waiting another month = sitting back and doing nothing. I'm very curious to see how they'd be a threat to humanity with tons of inspectors, troops and spy planes all over their country. Please explain.
6 reasons why so many allies want bush to slow down .
by johanna mcgeary.
sunday, january 26, 2003.
So in the time period it would take to multiply the number of inspectors, send in U.N. troops and fly spy planes freely over Iraq, you're telling me Iraq will launch a chemical attack on US soil? On a neighboring country? Sell a nuke to terrorists? The whole goal is to disarm Iraq, and the world is showing they want to do this by wanting to mount a massive search to find the damn things and destroy them. Why the rush to bomb Iraq? Why not let the UN take care of it altogether while the USA focuses on north korea?
I doubt seriously any of you ever participated in a High School debate class because your supposedly convincing arguments lack substanance.
what if we lose the war with iraq?
i watch the news and all commentators act as if our winning is a given.
yes, we are the biggest, baddest nation; we have the nukes, but what if?
Okay.
I'm going to boldly go where only one person I've noticed has dared mention - briefly.
Bush has the potential to be the next Hitler if he wanted to. Seriously think about this.
Bush stages an attack on american soil just like Hitler did - blames Islamic terrorists.
Say things escalate to a full out war against Islam.
Marshall law breaks out in USA because Bush sends everyone of Arab descent in America to a concentration camps.
Gung-ho Americans who support him will be by his side - just like Hitlers Nazis.
Those who oppose will face the wrath of the government and be treated just like those of Arab descent. Their citizenship will be stripped and they will be either booted out of the country, killed or sent to the concentration camps.
Remember, they'd have the right to do this by means of the patriot act and homeland security....
The middle east gets nuked. An American city gets nuked. Europe, China and Russia team up together to get rid of the Hitler-like regime of Bush.
World War III starts.
Crazy propoganda?
HOPEFULLY.
Makes you stop and think though, doesn't it? The American people really need to stop and think long term. They need to honestly weigh all of the pros and cons. They need to get over this left/right/liberal/conservative bullshit and recognize we're treading on extremely thin water right now. This could SERIOUSLY lead to extreme turmoil in the Middle East and not enough Americans realize the dangers of that.
I say close every single nuclear plant in the world. The technology is not to our betterment. We haven't discovered how to even safely dispose of it, plus the threat of developing weapons from it is just too great.
just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.
now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.
to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....
If only the solving the worlds problems were as simple as simply listening to some lone, more-than-slightly-eccentric fuel/air mixture wizard working furiously in his garage in Peoria Podunkville.
ummm....it is that simple.
Or maybe I have it all wrong and going to war in Iraq to protect us from Sadaam and terrorists and simultaneously securing oil interests in the area will save our environment and prevent the poles from melting.
Real brilliant plan there. By the time we're done w/ Iraq, N. Korea will be making more nukes anyways, which they can slip to terrorists.
I say:
Let the U.N. and Europe handle disarming Iraq.
Focus on coming to terms with N. Korea. Get off the frikkin high horse and give the people some food so they'll shut their reactor down.
Sign the frikkin Kyoto Treaty.
Now that sounds like a plan to me. But with Bush calling the shots, we're going to further provoke an Arab nation that already hates us, and they'll discover ways to further terrorize us. Bombing Iraq ain't gonna solve shit.
just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.
now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.
to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....
Dave, I agree with ya, but I think our need for oil exists only because we refuse to pursue alternate energy. I'd trade in my gas vehicle for an electric one in a heartbeat, and I'd do anything the government encouraged me to do in order to make a step in the right direction.
Maybe someone from Canada can input what the government has done up there recently to encourage people to conserve energy? If I'm not mistaken they just signed the Kyoto treaty and are making steps to encourage energy conservation.
Point being, it's not an impossible feat, it's just seems like America is not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to pursue alternate energy. Reason being there's money to be pocketed w/ the pursuit of oil.
That's the only reason I can see. The Bush administration yet again shows a lack of foresight. This global warming stuff is serious s$@*. When flooding and winter storms start wiping out civilizations it'll be to late to start converting to alternate energy. The time to act is NOW.
just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.
now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.
to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....
The same is true will solar power vs. natural gas. Because natural gas is still so cheap, why should I invest the money to solar power my house? There isn't anyone stopping me. It's just a matter of ROI (return on investment).
why invest in solar power??? See, that's the whole problem with people. The only thing you can see is MONEY. Well, it ain't all about money, it's about the future, for us and for our kids and grandchildren. Ever heard of ozone depletion? Global warming? Carbon emissions? All of these things are real problems, and the solution is stop being so GREEDY and start using alternate resources which are cleaner and better for the earth.
However, the war is about the threat to the US, not about oil.
 Nathan Strait |
cKinneys comment about increased profit margins for friends of the Bush administration also has been backed up. A two-part series in the Hong Kong-based Asia Times in January noted that the United States is developing a network of multiple Caspian pipelines, and that people close to the Bush administration stand to benefit. The law firm Baker & Botts represents the pipeline consortium set to build the proposed Baku-Ceyhan pipeline that would link Azerbaijan to Turkey via Georgia. The firms principle attorney is James Baker, former secretary of state and chief spokesman for the Bush campaign during the Florida vote controversy. And none other than the disgraced Enron Corp.once one of Bushs biggest financial backersconducted a feasibility study for the $2.5 billion Trans-Caspian pipeline being built under a joint venture between Turkmenistan, Bechtel and General Electric. Enron, together with Amoco, Chevron, Mobil, Unocal and British Petroleum, were all spending billions of dollars to pump the reserves of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, the Asia Times reported, adding that Baker, former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, former presidential Chief of Staff John Sununu and Vice President Dick Cheney have all closed major deals directly and indirectly on behalf of the oil companies.
And current National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice served on Chevrons board of directors for nearly 10 years before being scooped up by the Bush administration. Chevron (now Chevron Texaco) is the largest shareholder in the Caspian Pipeline Consortium, the group that completed an oil pipeline from Kazakhstan to the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk, Russia, and is planning more pipelines in the region.
It certainly can be argued that the economic benefits for close Bush associates are only indirectly attributable to the war on terrorism. But consider the argument of Uri Averney, a former member of the Israeli Knesset, noted peace activist and keen international observer. If one looks at the map of the big American bases created for the war, Averney wrote in the Israeli newspaper Maariv in February, one is struck by the fact that they are completely identical to the route of the projected oil pipeline to the Indian Ocean.
Deployments of U.S. troops do largely coincide with existing and projected pipeline routes. The United States already has troops in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey, Georgia and Afghanistan; Bush reportedly is negotiating to place U.S. forces in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
TOO MUCH TO DISPUTE MY FRIEND!!!
just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.
now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.
to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....
just for the records, i do believe oil is a contributing factor to this war - i was merely playing the role of devils advocate above.
:-)
just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.
now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.
to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....
Oh it's not about oil! If it was about oil, we'd be getting it from Venezuela! Or we would've taken it after the Gulf War!
peace,
Devil's Advocate
:-p
what if we lose the war with iraq?
i watch the news and all commentators act as if our winning is a given.
yes, we are the biggest, baddest nation; we have the nukes, but what if?
You want anthrax released over Australia or Europe?? How many millions of your people need to die before you say "Oh gee, maybe someone should have stopped this guy before it got this far."
I sure as hell don't wish that stuff upon any country, but I think an effort should be made to get rid of these weapons and Sadaam without blowing the whole country up. There are innocent people in Iraq...of course you realize that. It's worth a shot at least IMO.
while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.
of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.
for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.
Dakota,
You obviously know nothing of me as I have openly stated many times I do not trust politicians. It appears though, that you and many other intelligent ones here have placed your trust in ones who, although they wave a flag of freedom, wish to destroy the very fabric of freedom our nation was founded on.
Dude, what are you talking about? I merely said I'm being cautious. That's all. How you read all of this into that is beyond me.
D8TA,
I'm diggin ya.
peace,
back2dafront
