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  Historical Linguistics

  by dorayakii in

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  i just thought it would be interesting to give a bit of background on philology (the study of ancient linguistic texts) historico-linguistics (the study of the history and development of languages) and etymology (the history of individual words).

  by analysing different languages, linguists were able to work out that many languages had a common root.

  for instance, it was obvious that english, dutch, german, danish and swedish for example, are from a common root, because certain words closely resemble each other.. english drink.

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  :: I included Ukrainian among the Russian languages.
  
  Did you also include Dutch among the "English languages"? ;-)
  
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  Historical Linguistics

  by dorayakii in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just thought it would be interesting to give a bit of background on philology (the study of ancient linguistic texts) historico-linguistics (the study of the history and development of languages) and etymology (the history of individual words).

  by analysing different languages, linguists were able to work out that many languages had a common root.

  for instance, it was obvious that english, dutch, german, danish and swedish for example, are from a common root, because certain words closely resemble each other.. english drink.

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  ::I welcome any questions about specific IE or non-IE languages, about specific periods in Indo-European history or about the history of English itself
  
  Ok, so in the graph you've provided can you mark when exactly Jehovah gets pissed off with the Tower of Babel? How could you have missed that?
  
  Seriously though, I wonder if you are familiar with the etymology of the noun "hoard" in English? Also, there are gaps in the Slavic section of the graph, but these are not important really.
  
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  BODY...SOUL...SPIRIT.....THE MESSIANIC HOPE............the source

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  body: what we use to become conscious of the the world around us.. soul: what we use to become conscious of our self as an identity, ego and will.. spirit: what we use to become conscious of the divine: god.. the above largely comes to us by way of greek philosophy.. and, thanks to the conquests of alexander the great (pupil of aristotle) that philosophy soaked into every nation, tribe, tongue and religion it encountered.. so what, then, is all this leading to?

  two points:.

  1. we today are influenced by greek philosophy (but are probably not aware of it) just as the conquered world was back then.. 2. greek science, philosophy and especially vocabulary caused a mutation in cultures, religions and thinking.. the middle east (and judaism) was shattered by the impact of greek conquest.

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  Terry,
  
  ::Okay?
  
  Sure. I just wasn't sure by the way you phrased it in the first post. Your last post actually contains some points I wanted to add: we're predisposed to buy the Greek stories; it's not so much out of keeping with what our human cognition allows us to believe anyway. Having said that, however, we never know to what extent the Greek philosophers are responsible for the great variety of body-spirit dogmas which are reflected in one way or another in many, say, animistic beliefs which predated them, are we? I know their version of the story did have a great influence in European and post-European cultures, but we can't say Plato is responsible for modern beliefs in soul/body/spirit in the same way as Euclides is responsible for the traditional geometry.
  
  So looks like all I really want to achieve is water down your argument ;-). Am I succeeding?
  
  Pole
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  BODY...SOUL...SPIRIT.....THE MESSIANIC HOPE............the source

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  body: what we use to become conscious of the the world around us.. soul: what we use to become conscious of our self as an identity, ego and will.. spirit: what we use to become conscious of the divine: god.. the above largely comes to us by way of greek philosophy.. and, thanks to the conquests of alexander the great (pupil of aristotle) that philosophy soaked into every nation, tribe, tongue and religion it encountered.. so what, then, is all this leading to?

  two points:.

  1. we today are influenced by greek philosophy (but are probably not aware of it) just as the conquered world was back then.. 2. greek science, philosophy and especially vocabulary caused a mutation in cultures, religions and thinking.. the middle east (and judaism) was shattered by the impact of greek conquest.

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  Ok, you win, Terry ;-)
  Greeks > Hebrews > Indians- it only makes perfect sense to me now.
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  BODY...SOUL...SPIRIT.....THE MESSIANIC HOPE............the source

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  body: what we use to become conscious of the the world around us.. soul: what we use to become conscious of our self as an identity, ego and will.. spirit: what we use to become conscious of the divine: god.. the above largely comes to us by way of greek philosophy.. and, thanks to the conquests of alexander the great (pupil of aristotle) that philosophy soaked into every nation, tribe, tongue and religion it encountered.. so what, then, is all this leading to?

  two points:.

  1. we today are influenced by greek philosophy (but are probably not aware of it) just as the conquered world was back then.. 2. greek science, philosophy and especially vocabulary caused a mutation in cultures, religions and thinking.. the middle east (and judaism) was shattered by the impact of greek conquest.

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  Terry,
  
  Do you seriously believe in the influence of Greek philosophers as real people or are talking about cultural archetypes?
  
  And I'm not talking about the Greek influence on highly-controlled areas of codified knowledge such as Euclidean geometry, which you seem have no problems blending with the belief in the body-soul distinction and messianic myths.
  
  Dude, you have a rather mechanistic/behaviourist picture of anthropological history.
  
  I hope you can now write one more elaboration about the Greek influence on American Indian messianic prophecies ;-). And their body-spirit distinctions. These beliefs must be fatally flawed by the ramblings of Plato.
  
  Pole
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  BODY...SOUL...SPIRIT.....THE MESSIANIC HOPE............the source

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  body: what we use to become conscious of the the world around us.. soul: what we use to become conscious of our self as an identity, ego and will.. spirit: what we use to become conscious of the divine: god.. the above largely comes to us by way of greek philosophy.. and, thanks to the conquests of alexander the great (pupil of aristotle) that philosophy soaked into every nation, tribe, tongue and religion it encountered.. so what, then, is all this leading to?

  two points:.

  1. we today are influenced by greek philosophy (but are probably not aware of it) just as the conquered world was back then.. 2. greek science, philosophy and especially vocabulary caused a mutation in cultures, religions and thinking.. the middle east (and judaism) was shattered by the impact of greek conquest.

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  Actually, I have never been able to believe that we're all fatally influenced by something one ancient philosopher or another pulled out of his ass a few thousands years ago. I mean this may well be part of the story, but to depend on it is like trying to explain the world view of every peasant (And I apologize all the peasants reading this post ;-) in terms of some purely behaviourist mechanism - even if it works indirectly. And that smacks of those etymological anegdotes which always trace the origin of certain words to certain individuals.
  How about a moderate theory of innateness for a change? Plato and a 15th century peasant thought alike because they were both humans and not because the peasant had read all of Plato's available works (or whoever wrote them)? Couldn't it be the other side of the same coin?
  In short I think we should't forget about what Sunnygal41 wrote...
  Otherwise I see your point, Terry.
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  I think Islam is a peaceful religion...

  by Pleasuredome in

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  "that will teach them that we mean peace"

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  :Islam learned its violence from non other than the best Christianity had to offer. Take a closer look at history from other than a Christocentric point of view!
  
  carmel,
  
  The thing is that many contemporary muslim countries/societies are similar to many christian countries/societies ... from 700 years ago.
  
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  An Especially Stupid Watchtower Issue (Mar 15, 06)

  by metatron in

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  what makes this latest watchtower particularily dumb?

  well, let's see.. take a look at this gem:.

  " ...would a christian who is a self employed contractor bid on a job that involves painting one of the churches of christendom and thereby.

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  ::When have you ever heard of a prostitute whoring herself for a library card?
  
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  u/d opens his new business....FINALLY!!!

  by upside/down in

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  hey there all you x-xjws..... if you've wondered where i've been (i know..who the hell is u/d) i've been busy the past several months building and opening my new business.. it's an aveda lifestyle salon and spa (3500sf).

  it's called ten (our logo is the roman numeral x) it's a beaut!.

  you can check us out at www.tensalonandspa.com .

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  Dude, I love your staff! Where did you get all of those chicks from? ;-)
  
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  Do You Fear That Islamic Fundamentalists Will Start WWIII ???

  by minimus in

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  a lot of people are worrying about these uprisings, riots and violence being done----it seems everywhere.

  i've read how some feel that europe does not have the ability as a union to fight against this.

  is this like it was in germany prior to ww!!

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  ezra,
  
  Is WTS your only source of information about the UN? If so, then you might me seriously misinformed...
  
  Pole