one thing to keep in mind about prophecies is that they (and other christians) twist things a lot. if a prophecy has not come true yet (one would think it has been a while now, but well), it MUST come true in the future. OR it came true invisibly! hard to disprove that. prophecies are a very hard topic if you are not prepared. especially when they do that daniel-revelation-one-day-for-a-year math class. it's so confusing when you hear that for the first time, that it's easy for them to show off, bombing you with numbers and out of context bible verses.
don't let them get there. your argument about a circle not being a sphere is a pretty good one. they'll probably come along with some hebrew noun, that "also can be translated as sphere", but you can easily refute that by asking why it wasn't translated as sphere then.
don't tell them too much complicated things, at one point a jw brain just switches to "we know we have the truth, no matter what" mode. it's better to keep things simple, depending on what your intention is. if you want them to start thinking, go "noah's ark" and the like. if you want them to look like idiots, bomb them home with bible history vs. real history for example.
googlemagoogle
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My first anti-witness
by cheeseman inthe bell went this morning at 10am.
wtf is that?
lo and behold...two jw's at the door!!!.
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My first anti-witness
by cheeseman inthe bell went this morning at 10am.
wtf is that?
lo and behold...two jw's at the door!!!.
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that's great.
the bible contradicts a lot. prophecies hardly ever came true, and those that came true usually were nonprophecies. you may want to have a look at:
the skeptics annotated bible has a list of biblical errors, contradictions, unfulfilled prophecies, scientific errors and so on. the other two links are a lot to read, but have a lot of good arguments too.
more or less official, the jws believe that animals didn't eat meat until after the flood. the mentioned question about the spider is very good. another animal that hardly anyone would imagine eating herbs is the shark. noah's ark is a good thing to break apart. -
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When the desire to preach dies.
by El blanko in.
i have realized lately that i am far less "preachy" than i used to be and as a result, i do not feel as far up my own backside as i used to.. i think my ego is finally, finally, becoming easier to whip and control.
i grew tired of hearing my own voice.. do you feel this way?.
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same here. tired of fighting the same battle over and over again, without winning or losing. i sometimes, purely random, plant a seed here and there but i never try to lead a conversation into the direction of "the truth about the truth". i like to talk religion and history if the topic comes up, but i don't get into those heated debates anymore.
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Kill the Kid, Now That's Justice! (WT 5/15/05 QFR)
by ezekiel3 inthis in it's entirety from the watchtower may 15, 2005, page 31. you might find the reasoning a bit hollow.
questions from readers.
why were david and bath-sheba not put to death for committing adultery, whereas their newborn son died?.
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even sadder than this reasoning: the loyal jw defends this as being a logical and satisfying response. had a discussion with my sister about exactly this topic. no way to get through.
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Your Most DREADED Dub Word
by GetBusyLiving ini wanna hear the word that made you either physically nauseous or burst out in uncontrolable laughter.
please demonstrate it in a sentence as well.
mine was 'enthused' (my fingers were shaking as i typed).
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yeah, also took me years to understand "system of things". why don't the just use "world" like everyone else.
another one that sounds horrible is "jehovah of hosts". when i read that i always think it's good they replaced jehovah with god, "god of the hosts" makes much more sense. -
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Your Most DREADED Dub Word
by GetBusyLiving ini wanna hear the word that made you either physically nauseous or burst out in uncontrolable laughter.
please demonstrate it in a sentence as well.
mine was 'enthused' (my fingers were shaking as i typed).
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greater as in "greater fulfillment" or "jesus, the greater adam/moses/joshua/jeremiah whatever"
and as already mentioned, upbuilding is a huge one too... i heard that from my sister a while ago: "if you talk like that we better don't talk anymore, this is not very upbuilding, you know?" then she left... still is talking to me though, like everyone else, but she'll pull that out again when i "talk like that" again :-)
as for all the weaker vessel, husbandly owner, male headship and the other chauvinist crap from the bible, i always wondered what the sisters would think when hearing those things form the stage, or worse, "explain it to the householder" in the TMS.
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Which Translation of the Bible would you say is most accurate?
by researcher inwhich translation of the bible would you say is most accurate and was not influenced by any 'religious group' in the translation?
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Personal "God" and self-representation
by Narkissos init is commonly assumed that monotheism, in its jewish, christian and moslem forms, resulted in (or was related to) a specific development of human self-representation.
before a unique creator and judge the individual had to stand as an indivisible unit (e.g.
the "soul" in the middle ages) which was either justified or condemned, either saved or lost.
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i don't think my rejection of the concept of a personal god changed me that much, maybe only in two ways:
- i don't feel guilty for enjoying my life. this probably has to do more with JWism, but is also somehow connected to the belief in a personal god.
- i put more trust in humans. medical improvements, scientific developments, efforts for peace, organizations protecting human rights/environmental issues/animal life and so on.
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If you were God ,The Creator of all things, how would you handle rebellion?
by disciple in.
so many times we second guess god or our conception of him and we discuss why this or that does not make sense or could not be, or is not fair.. then how would you if you were god (with unlimited power) handle rebellion?
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the creator aint that creative after all. do or die. there are game designers out there who are much more creative.
"world of warcraft" anyone? it's a fantasy online gaming world. if you are killed, you can be revived in several different manners. you can talk to the angel at the graveyard to bring you back to life, a fellow gamer with special skills can revive you or your spirit has to run and search for it's body. now that's cool, isn't it?
a way to handle "rebellion"? you mean satan wanting to be god? hey, that's a simple one -
satan: "daddy, i want to be like you!"
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More fun with witness urban myths.....
by integ ini have heard many urban myths associated with the watchtower society and its hapless adherents.
i like the one where an "interested one" accepted the invitation to attend the memorial one year, and sat next to a "sister" who let the confused attendee use her bible to look up scriptures as they were presented.
afterword, the "sister" walked the man up to the circuit overseer, who had delivered the talk that year, and introduced the dupe-filled "study" to the co. the co complimented the man on his spiritual interest and asked what impelled him to come up and talk to him.
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another true story, by valid sources:
a jw youngster has an accident and is brought to the hospital. the evil doctors tells him a blood transfusion would be necessary. he explains he'd be a jw and jw's don't do blood, because j-ho don't like that. because of his age the doctor decides to test if our young brother's really serious about his faith, so he asks him to list all the books of the bible.
JUST IMAGINE IF HE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ALL THE BOOKS BY HEART!