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  Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

  by booker-t in

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  i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

  i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

  fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

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  i think there is a lot of evidence indicating that clever Hans and Hansel from Hansel and Gretel are in fact the same person.
  
  not sure, but i think Hänsel foreshadows Christ, as he was bound without guilt, he was supposed to be killed by someone evil AND his flesh was supposed to be eaten. Hänsel und Gretel probably are in the tradition of mesopotamian creation accounts, as the gingerbread house resembles the forbidden fruit, gretel offers gingerbread to hänsel, for wich he is condemned to death.
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  I need to pray, but this proves there's no one to pray to.

  by SixofNine in

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  as do a hundred other images kicking my head from falluja and ramadi and cote de ivoire.

  what else can you say though, but "jesus christ!"?.

  http://www.chron.com/cs/cda/ssistory.mpl/front/2913542 .

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  LittleToe: Is that the sum list of possibilities?
  i think so... is something missing?
  
  El Blankito: "Grow Up!"
  i'll try if you show me how...
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  Rod of Asclepios and the Brass Snake

  by googlemagoogle in

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  2. beliefs

  this one is for the history/myth experts out there.

  i've already seen a lot of common legends in greek/mesopotamian/hebrew mythology (the flood, the tree of life, ...) especially after reading the gilgamesh epos.

  when i was little i always ment the sign on farmacies (the rod of ascleipos) to be the brass snake moses made to save the israelites from the snakes-bites (wich was later an idol the israelites worshipped).

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  googlemagoogle

  thanks for the link
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  I need to pray, but this proves there's no one to pray to.

  by SixofNine in

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  as do a hundred other images kicking my head from falluja and ramadi and cote de ivoire.

  what else can you say though, but "jesus christ!"?.

  http://www.chron.com/cs/cda/ssistory.mpl/front/2913542 .

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  You say God is both omnipotent and perfectly good. If so, there ought not to be any evil in the world, since your God would be both able and willing to prevent it. But there is evil in the world; so either there is no God, or he is not omnipotent, or he is not perfectly good.
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  The Tree of Life, Asherah, and Her Snakes

  by Leolaia in

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  2. bible

  the garden of eden narrative in genesis 2-3 (j) is generally thought to have a mythological background, and its sumerian and akkadian parallels have been widely noted: the resemblence between the tale of adapa and the story of adam and eve's deception regarding the death-dealing fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the story of adam's creation and life with the animals and the tale of enkidu from the epic of gilgamesh, the edenic blessedness described in the tale of enmerkar, and so forth.

  the canaanite and phoenician parallels however are not noted as often -- though these would be more pertinent to the native judean context of the eden narrative.

  this post will explore some of these parallels in an attempt to trace the mythological background of the eden story, which is complex and multi-layered.

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  please excuse if i misunderstood something here...
  
  i just want to add that the caduceus (staff of hermes) is not used in medicine, as it is not an equivalent to the staff of aesculap. rather it is used as a symbol of commerce. farmacies use the staff of aesculap symbol ("the brass snake"). both symbols still are distinctive - at least in europe, don't know about the usa.
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  Can someone explain to me the story of the tower of Babel?

  by tippysock in

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  2. bible

  in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.

  did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?

  what happened to freewill?

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  However, God expected His chosen people to exercise better judgment.
  
  there's no talk about "chosen people" in the torah prior to israel...
  
  those legends simply try to explain things people then didn't understand - why doesn't a snake have legs, why do we die, why do rainbows appear, why do other people have another language...
  
  other cultures have explainations why monkeys exist, why rabbits have short tails, whatever...
  
  before the invention of science, fables explained everything!
  
  like someone else on this board said before: as soon as you see the bible (at least genesis) as what it is - a book of legends - everything makes perfect sense.
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  The Tree of Life, Asherah, and Her Snakes

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the garden of eden narrative in genesis 2-3 (j) is generally thought to have a mythological background, and its sumerian and akkadian parallels have been widely noted: the resemblence between the tale of adapa and the story of adam and eve's deception regarding the death-dealing fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the story of adam's creation and life with the animals and the tale of enkidu from the epic of gilgamesh, the edenic blessedness described in the tale of enmerkar, and so forth.

  the canaanite and phoenician parallels however are not noted as often -- though these would be more pertinent to the native judean context of the eden narrative.

  this post will explore some of these parallels in an attempt to trace the mythological background of the eden story, which is complex and multi-layered.

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  i just wanted to correct: the depicted rod with wings is NOT the rod of asclepios, but of hermes (the messenger). the symbol for ascleipios is a pole with just one serpent, exactly as the brass snake.
  
  another hint to lilith is probably found in tobit (tobias), where parts of the fish have to be burnt to protect a woman from the child-killing demon.
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  Rod of Asclepios and the Brass Snake

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this one is for the history/myth experts out there.

  i've already seen a lot of common legends in greek/mesopotamian/hebrew mythology (the flood, the tree of life, ...) especially after reading the gilgamesh epos.

  when i was little i always ment the sign on farmacies (the rod of ascleipos) to be the brass snake moses made to save the israelites from the snakes-bites (wich was later an idol the israelites worshipped).

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  googlemagoogle

  this one is for the history/myth experts out there.
  
  i've already seen a lot of common legends in greek/mesopotamian/hebrew mythology (the flood, the tree of life, ...) especially after reading the gilgamesh epos.
  
  when i was little i always ment the sign on farmacies (the rod of ascleipos) to be the brass snake moses made to save the israelites from the snakes-bites (wich was later an idol the israelites worshipped). and indeed the similarity can't be overlooked. in arts, asclepios (lat.: aesculap) - a greek hero and later god of healing - is always shown with a rod acompanied by a snake. the "rod of asclepios" sign probably contains a "guinea-worm" but he's still always with a snake, wich is a metaphor for medicine.
  
  has anyone already looked into this, are there any connections, any common sources for asclepios and moses?
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  ?'s for Believers in God

  by chappy in

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  for those here who still profess belief in god i'd like to know if religion is still an important/necessary part of that belief system.

  if so, do you attend religious services?

  which religion/belief system do you ascribe to?

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  i'm not sure if there's a god, i think that would make me an "(a)theist". i would believe in one religion as being the truth, if i'd see some nearly-invisible being come down from the clouds (or from wherever), telling me to join cult this-or-that. this hasn't happened so far, giving me two options: "there is no god" or "god(s) exist(s) but he/they don't want me to know him/them". as both options have the same evidence i can't decide wich one is true.
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  Another reason to hate the WTS.

  by CountryGuy in

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  you know what i hate most about the wts?

  that no matter how much you think you've put it all behind you... it still comes up and smacks you over the head every now and then.

  saturday night, i visited my local bookstore/coffee shop.

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  i just want to add that it's probably not only the WTS, but a homophobe society in general. some time ago i told my mom that homosexuals are perfectly normal. she almost started crying of anger and asked me if i was gay. i answered no, but what would you do if i were? she said, homosexuality aint natural, because it is forbidden by jehovah and he wouldn't kill people in big A for doing something natural. i answered that the canaanites didn't have an excuse for being canaanite either and the bible-god genocided em. the conversation stopped after that... well...
  
  but however, the wts aint the only group like that. conservative christianity and islam does the same.