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after the 1935 convention, some who previously partook of the emblematic bread and wine at observances of the lords evening meal ceased partaking.
there is no human way to tell if other humans are or are not going to heaven "besides taking of the emblems" right? so, we come across someone who says they are going to heaven then we should believe that they are....
and then, if thats the case, what of the millions of other ppl around the world who "partake of the wine" and say they are going to heaven....we are to believe that this is true?
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/treasurecoast/content/local_news/epaper/2006/06/02/m1c_mcjail_0602.html
religious magazine used in evidence-tampering plot.
by jill taylor.
i kinda dont fully understand what actually happened here....but im sure it brings "reproach" on jehovahs name.....which makes me wonder (in no way trying to mock God) but shouldnt he have headed this off before it happened.....meaning the true god of this "true" religion had a chance to stop it
what does christian mean anyway?
doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man?
arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man?
I'm sure Jesus had personal relationships with his disciples, but I don't think it follows that after his death one can have a "personal relationship" with him. He's been dead for 2000 years!
Parakeet---Agreed.....and that was one of the points I was trying to make/understand.......he (jesus) is no longer human or jesus....in heaven he is now michael correct? no longer human but a god
however, i was mentioned.
i was told today by a very reliable source my dad gave a talk at the latest district convention.
in it, he talked about how he 'has had to endure both his son and daughter leaving the truth.
awwwww thats a shame bav.....dont u love it how they think df'd ones dont have feelings and that we are so evil and that they have the right to say whatever they want.....but when they see us....they talk to us until they get another "disfellowshipping" talk......what hypocrites!!!
what does christian mean anyway?
doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man?
arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man?
Tex--
i agree with u on alot of points that u mentioned, although i do not know of ur story......i believe in god as the one to be worshipped and that he doesnt work thru any given religion.....i, too, will never be associated with a religion because of my jw experience.....i have alot of spiritual rather than religous beliefs....ex: new age, gnostic, researching past lives, and so on.....the only law given as a "christian" is to love our neighbors as ourselves....if we do that, what else is there
Mouthy--thanks for your point of view.....r u still part of the organization?
hi, i've finally decided to make a post, after lurking for a while and even lurking for a while after i signed up.
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could anyone tell me about that blue book, shining as illuminators in the world, the pioneer book, does anyone know where you would get it online, in pdf, word, html format?
yeah whats in there anyway? why such a secret......but u know what i would really like to know....whats in the elders' book!!
what does christian mean anyway?
doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man?
arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man?
what does christian mean anyway? doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man? arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man? i am, in no way disrespecting jesus....just posing a question that if we point out the jw belief that jesus was gods son, then he was sent to earth to prove that god does exist and that we should follow him (not just as a means of salvation, which can only be given thru god anyway).....besides if "jesus" is in heaven right now, his name isnt jesus anymore.....so i dont understand why so much emphasis on jesus when god is the one to be worshiped....should this be called something else besides christianity....what is it called when u r a worshiper of god?
i'm a newby here and was wondering the % of christians vs. .
non.rough estimate fine.
i sure like the comradery here for ex"s. but wonder why so many here leave their belief in god altogether.. what is it that caused disbelief?
well.....at first i ignored God altogether....the only way i associated him was with the organization....i have since come to realize that he is separate from the organization and am now trying to get a relationship back with him....i dont know if i consider myself a christian or not....i do have other beliefs that border on new age, astrology, researching past lives, and so on....but the only real command that we was given to us by jesus is "to love your neighbor as yourself" and in that case, since i try to do that....i consider myself a christian....but modified....only because i do have other beliefs unbiblical in nature.....
so, if someone is of the 144,000, dies, and supposedly goes to heaven, is it still possible for them to be misled, or kicked out, thus needing another replacement.
if the answer is yes, i guess the 144,000 will never be completed, in fact eventually they will have 144,000 replacements, then 144,000 replacements replacing the replacements, doh !
in respone to "press any key"s comment:
on earth after the final test....ppl will still have free will....so they will be able to sin if they wish....the difference is they would be destroyed on the spot if they had a sinful thought of any kind instead of being allowed to live for countless number of years dwelling and indulging in their before being destroyed....lol
our history is not what we have been taught.
the golden dawn history.
we see that russell was involved with freemasonry and used freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines.
Russell himself has been linked to a Satanic bloodline and was operating with key figures whose agenda has been a The Satanic Bloodlines That would explain a thread a read about a year ago about a brother who visited the societys headquarters in the 80s sometime who was taken to a secret room that was heavily secured and was shown many books that had satanic symbols on them and so forth....he was given the explanation that the society has come along way...in essence, "the light has gotten brighter" since these books....i, myself have always wondered about that stuff....if anyone knows anything more about this particular thread, let me know....
