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  I have JUST become a GREAT GRANNY Of Twins.

  by mouthy in

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  henry 51bs 12 oz,eve 51bs 14 oz...phil my grnason by marriage just called.. ashley the new mum) my granddaughter who herself was a twin,from my melanie who died when she was 42(cancer).

  they are doing well born by ceaserian at 2.40p.m today!!!!!

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  mamochan13

  Wonderful! Your daughter lives on. Thanks for sharing this, Grace.
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  Kim's call to HQ's...

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xltqvpy6i0q.

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  mamochan13

  haha. Well done. What a conversation! I couldn't tear myself away.

  I wonder if you've planted some seeds with that gentleman. One can only hope.
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  dannalight - newbie wants to say hi

  by besty in

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  2. friends

  say hi to dannalight here.... she made a post http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/46/12/welcome#4909211 but it made more sense to make a new topic for her....

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  mamochan13

  thank you dannalight for bumping a thread I'd never seen before - quite an interesting welcome, Simon!
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  I think my faith might be returning. Feeling very confused.

  by jambon1 in

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  i've been out the organisation for around 8 years.

  when i first left, im positive that i suffered from some sort of post traumatic stress.

  i was very angry at myself for accepting the really bad parts of the religion that i strongly disagreed with.

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  mamochan13

  I'm going to ignore the hijacking and the arguing and get back to the original post.

  Jambon - you remind me of my eldest daughter. I raised her as a JW until she was a teenager, and although she left the religion at the same time I did, she has really struggled with questions of faith. She has tried to expose her daughter to a religion that teaches god. She tried to go back to meetings for a while with a guy who became her (now ex) husband. Got a rude awakening when the elders knocked on her door wanting an accounting. So she's torn. She wants to believe in something, hates the JW crap, but doesn't really know where to go.

  I'm no help to her because I'm atheist. I get heebie-jeebies when I hear people who have left JW and embraced Jesus as their personal saviour. It feels really strange to me because I can't imagine how anyone would want to stick with that kind of stuff once you see the light. At the same time, I respect everyone's right to hold a personal belief in whatever turns their crank.

  You have to do what feels right to you. But I would still caution not going too far in any one direction until you've really sorted out the destructive JW cult mentality. JWism prevents you from looking critically at anything. You can't question. You can't explore. So if you can break free from that, explore, indulge, and find a new source of belief - then that's the right path for you. No matter what anyone else (here) says.
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  Well it is time for me to say GOODBYE!!!

  by mouthy in

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  2. beliefs

  it has been nice talking with you.but i seem to upset a few because of my faith.. so have a great christmas.... & be good, i wont be here to send you to your rooms .

  i have grown close to many of you.... if i have ever said anything to hurt you sorry!!!!.

  when i kick the bucket i am sure "mary" who ssometimes post will let you know.. mouthy grace gough.

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  mamochan13

  Glad to hear good news from you, Grace!

  But I'm not sure about this atheist no drinking December 25 thing....

  Hope you have a wonderful xmas!
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  The " HIGHER EDUCATION" thread!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alright.

  let's have the ultimate discussion on "higher education.

  " let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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  mamochan13

  Scotoma - I did many of the same things you did in anticipation of 1975.

  I'm getting close to 60. My JW friends were all quitting high school to go pioneering (based on counsel from circuit overseers). I managed to finish, but even though I was smart and the top of my class, I chose to devote my life to the religion. My non-JW dad made some feebly attempts to get me to go to college, but my JW mom ran the family.

  I left the religion some 20 years ago. One of my first actions was to enrol in university. Then my marriage broke up and I became eligible for full-time student funding as a single parent which helped with my living expenses. It was great for the first few years, but I then was no longer eligible for any help and had to pay most of my education through student loans while working full time.

  I earned a graduate degree two years ago after about 12 years total (most via distance university), but it was a real struggle financially and I almost didn't make it. Some family issues interfered with me actively pursuing a career initially, and by the time I was able to focus on a career in the field I hold my degrees in, I've started to find that ageism is preventing me from getting in the door. I haven't given up, but I'm in a position where I have to look for jobs in remote areas at beginning studnet rates which make it very difficult financially and emotionally.

  I'm not sorry, though. Going to university was the best decision of my life. I learned more about myself and the world and other people than I did in my whole lifetime. Going to university saved my life.

  The downside is the student loans. They are crushing me and have ruined my credit rating. Had I gone to university when I was young my life would be so much better now. I hate the religion for preventing me from doing that.

  I would love to be back in university. In fact, I keep enrolling in coursera free courses - only managed to complete one so far, but it's great to challenge my brain and stay in the loop.
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  Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

  it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

  do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

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  mamochan13

  As a born-in, super-dub (pioneer), I was aware of apostates and their efforts. Seeing the book 30 Years a Watchtower Slave brought feelings of horror - it was evil. I'd see protesters and look at them with scorn.

  I left largely due to cruel things done to me, but I still believed it was the truth for many years afterwards. It wasn't until I started university and had a whole new world of critical thinking opened up to me that I started to really look at what I was raised to believe. Then I went searching for help - first found Randy's site (factual information), then this forum (community support/information). This was pre-youtube, of course, but I would not have received any value from videos/websites until I had already left the religion and was in the process of "awake"ening.

  I agree that JWs wake up for many reasons and in their own time. My impression is that the primary need is support for exiting JWs - whether it is factual or emotional support. In my own case, no video or protest or anti-WT activism would have made a difference. It actually made me want to defend the JWs. Even after starting to wake up, I still found much of the activism offensive. I didn't see the activism as against the WT organization, but as an attempt to smear a whole group of innocent people, because I took the view that most JWs are good people who honestly believe they have the truth and want to help others.

  And I still have issues with some of the more radical activism. I think it makes all of us look bad and simply reinforces the image of the evil apostate in the minds of current JWs.

  I'm trying to think how I feel when I come across protests or videos about Mormons or Scientology or Moonies or whatever. I don't know that the activism in itself changes my opinion, but it might spur me to do further research. Which could be a good thing.
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  THE ALTERNATIVE DAILY TEXT by The Witchtower editor

  by processor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.

  they will be published here:.

  http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.

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  mamochan13

  Thank you, Processor. Absolutely LOVE your work!!
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  My adorable 5 year son explaining the meaning of life

  by jwfacts in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i asked my son quite randomly before bed what he thinks the meaning of life is.

  like always, his answer brought a smile to my face.

  he said, "to have a great time .. to have fun and have friends ... and be happy.

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  mamochan13

  He is beautiful, and just like his dad in his ability to speak the facts succinctly.
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  a list of good movies/tv shows to get a JW to think

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  ones that have themes that come uncomfortabllly close to the cult dynamic.. i already got him to watch the obsolete man on twilight zone.

  he sauggested watching some old tz again tonight so i wioll pick where is everybody, and escape clause.. i have heard oters say the movie truman show was a good movie as is the matrix ( though i detest violence).

  any more suggestions for my personal handy dandy list?.

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  mamochan13

  The Village. But I agree that JWs won't get it. I would never have understood this movie as relating to my belief system until I had already escaped.