My aunt passed away, unable to breath, her lungs no longer functioning. Everyone in the family (all JWs) believed that it was all her years of dedicated service in cold weather that did it. Hasn't stopped any of them, though.
mamochan13
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"Pioneer Syndrome" - Pioneers from the 1990's are getting very sick in 2009! Theories?
by Witness 007 injust heard sister g______ is very ill and not looking good at all.
shes in her 40's and looks like an old lady!
very tired she can barely manage to work a day or two because she has to...i myself crashed with glanduar fever and was tired for 4 years...still others have developed "pioneer syndrome" tired, always ill with no cure, increased need for sleep.
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Dream interpreters?
by AK - Jeff ini have had two dreams recently that were terrifying.
both involved babies.... dying!.
dream #1. i was carrying a basinet and walking down the steps of my home.
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mamochan13
Dream interpretations are usually very personal, and usually have to do with something going on right now in your life. Think about what your current worries are, consider what your relationships with family members are like and what you fear and hope for them. The dreams could, as OTWO and journey-on suggest, represent concerns about your ability to see these children through to adulthood safely, and they could also represent your own self-doubt. Fear of loss might be a theme - perhaps ask yourself what you are afraid might happen to your grandkids. Are you feeling up to the responsibility? What about the theme of abandonment - do you worry that you might give everything to these children only to have them abandon you one day? Children do grow up and leave home. Is there some deep-seated worry that you raised your daughter and in spite of your best efforts, she abandoned her children - so you feel that you might likewise fail your grandchildren? Only you can answer these questions, and if you think about what you are feeling in the context of the dream it might start to make sense.
I'd also try and find some solace in these dreams. You and your wife are taking on an incredible responsibility. Without you, these children would be truly lost (and maybe that's what the dream is about!). I applaud you. Also, remember - good parents bring up independent children who make their own decisions, both right and wrong. You aren't responsible for your daughter's decisions.
I've always had intense dreams and it wasn't until going through my own struggle to sort my life out after leaving the JWs that I was fortunate enough to see a talented psychiatrist who taught me that I was privileged to have that kind of night time insight into my emotions - not everyone has graphic/realistic dreams. He taught me to write my dreams down and think about them, and I've since found that my dreams are powerful tools in understanding what is going on in my life below the surface.
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My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 5
by Simon inmy life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 2. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 3. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 4. i swear, i thought it was only a couple of years at most since i wrote part 4 of "my life and how jwd came to be".
i re-read it after someone posted to it and brought it back on active topics and it was kind of prophetic in a way ... well, i had the 5 years part right if nothing else:.
it would be nice to visit the site (or whatever one is around then) in 5 years time to let people know how we're doing and find only a few of the same people still around.
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mamochan13
And BTW...I wish I would have had the foresight to bring a tape recorder to my judicial meeting. well done.
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My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 5
by Simon inmy life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 2. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 3. my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 4. i swear, i thought it was only a couple of years at most since i wrote part 4 of "my life and how jwd came to be".
i re-read it after someone posted to it and brought it back on active topics and it was kind of prophetic in a way ... well, i had the 5 years part right if nothing else:.
it would be nice to visit the site (or whatever one is around then) in 5 years time to let people know how we're doing and find only a few of the same people still around.
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mamochan13
Thank you for posting your story, Simon. so similar to that of myself and others. Glad you've come to Canada, too, and now a neighbour. You have really provided a service to ex-JWs that is invaluable. I've often thought on my journey out that I'd like to do something to help my fellow ex-Jws from a psychological healing viewpoint, and I hope to do so soon. Truly, you cannot understand unless you've been there. You've provided an incredible role model for us to follow your example and help JWs escape the cult. I'm glad you haven't abandoned JWD - you will always be the heart and soul.
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How many here have worked in social work, etc. & DON'T think MJ was a molester?
by avishai ini mean, c'mon, people.
seriously, i admire those who want to think the best.
but the guy had just about every red flag/indicator you can have.
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mamochan13
I work with sexual assault victims. I'm not convinced MJ was the abuser he was portrayed to be. I'm troubled by the dollar amounts paid out to parent accursers, for one. I'm also troubled by the whole social worker culture that is often so self-righteous and judgemental. I've come up against some real horror stories in my work with families - and I know how often social workers will paint a parent, a family, as abusive when nothing of the sort has occurred. Yes, I believe children should be beleived and listened to, but I've seen too many occasions where well-meaning social workers have manipulated the child's story to fit the accusation to be completely comfortable with blanket acceptance.
MJ was certainly guilty of extremely poor judgement. But as someone said earlier, none of us have lived in his world, and I'm sure it was not much fun living in MJs world in many respects
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A "My Book of Bible Stories" tale that I've always hated
by JimmyPage ini've always hated story #53: "jepthah's promise".
i always felt sorry for the daughter who had to spend the rest of her days at the tabernacle because her father made a numb-nuts promise to god.
who did he think he was, making promises for other people?
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mamochan13
BTW - what the hell is this doing in a book for children anyway?
Good question. One of my daughters used to ask for the story, "Cut the baby in half"
Now there's a child-friendly tale if there ever was one.
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Was Michael Jackson reproved in 1983 and DF/DA in 1989?
by Olin Moyles Ghost inthere seems to be quite a bit of conflicting information about michael jackson's jw status as a young man.
it's clear that he was raised a witness and that he was a practicing witness (a publisher) in the 1970s and early 1980s.
but there's some uncertainty about (1) whether he was baptized, and (2) whether and when he was df/da.. i was looking around on yahoo answers and found the following question: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=aqerwd.lhqkco.59fnqahbrty6ix;_ylv=3?qid=20090628174024aafwsky&show=7.
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mamochan13
I recall shortly after Thriller came out that in a talk to the congregation a circuit overseer told us that MJ had been a JW but that his conduct was "unbecoming a christian" and that he was now "Bad" (he said it as a deliberate play on words). I can't remember all the details, but the gist of the talk was that MJ had chosen to leave the "truth" and was now paying the consequences. I'm thinking 1989 sounds about right.
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Growing up a dub - favourite day of the week?
by Mickey mouse inmine was monday.
the weekend with it's endless ministry and drawn out meeting was over.
monday was the day i got to be a normal kid; school, homework and collapse in front of the tv.
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mamochan13
Interesting question. I don't remember a favourite day. I do remember hating Fridays because that was the service meeting and it was also the night all the good shows were on TV that we had to miss.
Blondie - sounds like your dad planted the seeds that ultimately saved you. I think that was true of me too.
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How long does reinstatement take?!? Question for a elder or someone thats been in this situation
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mamochan13
Reinstatement is completely random and at the whim of the elders involved. They decide when you are repentant enough and they define what constitutes repentance. The nature of the crime is also a factor - how widely known it is and whether "wordly" people know about it.
In my case they told me that the rule book (can't remember the name of it anymore?) said it "must be a year". I looked it up and it does not say that.
There are things you do that will influence the process, too. You must follow everything they tell you, attend all meetings, etc. If you balk at any rule it counts against you and adds to the time. You also have to request reinstatement in writing. In my case I requested at the beginning of every month. This made them angry and they told me later that I was not respecting the FDS/the process by asking too often and not simply waiting for a year to pass. So they punished me by making me wait even longer than a year. They also tried to dictate how I should raise my children as a criteria for reinstatement.
So basically I would say just keep your head down, don't argue with them, do everything they tell you to do, and ask them how long you have to wait before applying for reinstatement.
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What Got YOU Out Of The Organization?
by minimus inhow did you come to the final decision to get out of her (the organization, "mother")?
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mamochan13
It was when I got reinstated. They had put me through hell while DFd, treating me like a pariah and making me crawl and beg to be allowed back. Then one day they suddenly decided I was an acceptable associate again. I thought, "I'm exactly the same person I was yesterday. How can I be a bad person one day and a good person the next on the say-so of a couple of men?"
That began a gradual process of realization that something was very wrong with the beliefs I had been raised with. It still took several years to gradually leave. The loss of family and friends had already occurred during my DFing, so I think that lessened the trauma and made it easier.
I did not start to critically examine the belief system until I was well out and finally felt strong enough to challenge deeply-held beliefs I had been loyal to for so much of my life. That was another trauma, but it was an essential process to convince me that I had done the right thing for myself and my children.