there have been many sages who walked the face of the earth.
the wisest man who ever lived, however, is jesus christ.
jesus made an impact on history that very few men have matched.
The wicked ones have been perverts from the womb; They have wandered about from the belly onward; They are speaking lies. The venom of theirs is like the venom of the serpent, Deaf like the cobra that stops up its ear, They will not listen to charmers, Though someone wise is binding with spells
Hey Youknow, you said it.
Bang
what do you think, if there is a hell, do you think jw's are going.
i know (because of my lifestyle) if there is a hell i have a good chance of going, although the idea of spending an eternity with god's supposed people doesn't sound too thrilling, in which case i better practice a life of celibacy.
i don't know what brought this post up, my friend just played me a clip from a south park episode where all the devout chrisitians go to hell, including jehovah's witnesses, and all the good mormons get spared (kinda funny in a strange sort of way).
I'm thinking with Farkel - surely they're already there - I mean, how much worse does it get. I know I'd walk into a fire in preference to that outcome.
Bang
because any crisis (such as this anti-crisis) is always accompanied by you know and the watchtower claiming it is unique.. .
crisis?
what crisis?.
What's the crisis?
Bang
here are most views:.
1)adam sinned so when we die we automaticly go to heaven if we are good or hell if we are bad.
2) our judgement according to this is here on earth so if we live only to be two years old that is how long we have to show that we are good.. jw views:.
Bleep
You wanted to hear about God's view of judgement - there it is - and how I've seen it in action.
I'm not sure where your invention of my "burnout syndrome" came from - are you sure your not projecting your frustrations? I mean you were very dedicated in all that waffle about judgement - and without the reward of plainly knowing God's view.
Bang
jason beduhn has written extensively on these comments by others, showing how worthless the comments are.
so you have a "i'll quote one scholar, you'll quote another" - game.
i thought beduhn, stafford, kedar, furuli and others had managed to stop this silly game by now.
I've read some of the nwt 'bible' and it's plain that they've made changes to the original text. I didn't need other opinions to know that - that site simply pushes the point. Call me unwise if you like - I still consider it to be a wicked thing to do.
Bang
Edited by - Bang on 14 June 2002 10:17:26
in modern times, the term "proselytism" has been used to mean forcible conversion of one kind or another.
the bible does not support such a practice.
rather, it teaches that men were created as free moral agents with the privilege and responsibility to choose how they will live their lives.
Not up for it any more Bleep?
in modern times, the term "proselytism" has been used to mean forcible conversion of one kind or another.
the bible does not support such a practice.
rather, it teaches that men were created as free moral agents with the privilege and responsibility to choose how they will live their lives.
It 's mind boggling how much effort the dubs have put into 'rabbitting on'.
Here's one clue - horses display pride, and you are what you eat, so don't 'be a horse' - and everyone in Belgium hasn't blown it by eating horses.
Here's another - chew the cud - you may find some spiritual teachings in the spiritual book - afterall, that's what it's for. If my posts include scripture, it definitely won't be from the awake, watchtower or any other thing of such an ilk.
Bang
And I'm also saying that Peter et.al understood scripture when they said not to 'eat blood'.
I'll leave you to ponder the cloven hoof mystery, but you should have at least realised about how rabbits behave.
Edited by - Bang on 12 June 2002 20:56:54
in modern times, the term "proselytism" has been used to mean forcible conversion of one kind or another.
the bible does not support such a practice.
rather, it teaches that men were created as free moral agents with the privilege and responsibility to choose how they will live their lives.
I do have a Bible, even a real one. So how then do you follow this teaching?
"Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat."
"And if any animal of which you may eat dies, he who touches it's carcass shall be unclean until the evening,.."
Bang
Edited by - Bang on 12 June 2002 17:58:46
in modern times, the term "proselytism" has been used to mean forcible conversion of one kind or another.
the bible does not support such a practice.
rather, it teaches that men were created as free moral agents with the privilege and responsibility to choose how they will live their lives.
Hi Bleep, I wanted to refute some things you have written.
Today, Jehovah's Witnesses continue the teaching and disciple-making work arranged by Jesus.
No they don't. Jesus explicitly taught people to give what they had to the poor, and also to 'do the same' as the Samaritan (Jesus) by helping the injured (including knowing how to), whom you have no worldly arranged duty to help, and additionally pay for their continued health and well-being. Dubs don't do that, or, if rarely they do, it is generally far less thatn most other religions. Oh, and they'll proclaim it for publicity too. As for what they teach, they apply the spiritual teachings to fleshly uses. At best they consider spirituality to be morality ( not to mention how the world is continually going to be destroyed anyday now).
They respect the right of others to have their own religion.
I personally know of dubs, those nearest to our home, who treat a certain catholic horribly, such as they would not their own, bad as they are - makes the other dubs in the area smile too. I suppose I should also mention how their every second sermon includes the bad evil other religions. Respect, NO - tolerate perhaps. (PS I really don't appreciate reading any stinking type jovy use / lying style English).
Yes, they use honest reasoning from the Scriptures.
They're not even close - after the respect thing I won't be going there for now until you can reason the truth about some single words for starters.
The 'truth' as they call it is simply a trough.
Bang
Was I a little scathing? That's about as easy as i could go after reading what you wrote - maybe I'll be nicer another time.
here are most views:.
1)adam sinned so when we die we automaticly go to heaven if we are good or hell if we are bad.
2) our judgement according to this is here on earth so if we live only to be two years old that is how long we have to show that we are good.. jw views:.
"And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
I know that the wtbts prefer not to entertain their misgivings and prefer to remain in the dark about their sinfulness - to the point of blaming God should sufficient questions arise about their response-abilities.
I've also met people at pubs, in the street and down at social security, who really understood themselves and their own failings, and where they were at (down to earth, humble), not really thinking themselves worthy of God and all that.
The wtbts is it's own judge already - afterall, they are gods, they can do that - zealouts of the dark.
Bang
Edited by - Bang on 11 June 2002 3:58:27
