Posts by Bang

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Bible Error: Jesus Cures the Leper

by JosephAlward in

the author of mark thinks that jesus cured the leper after he cured simon peters mother-in-law, but the author of matthew says just the opposite: he thinks that jesus cured the leper before he cured the mother-in-law.

they both cannot be right, so the bible is in error.

here is the evidence:.

Bang

Joseph writes to Yeru:

<< So you put your faith in men, not the Bible? If that's what you mean, then are not Catholics similar to Jehovah's Witnesses, who put their faith in men, their organization, and their interpretations? >>

Bang adds:

Well, No, the understood Word and the ways of life that followed (traditions) were in place before the 'Bible' was utilised as such. There wasn't really much 'interpreting' going on as everyone kinda knew what being a Christian was, but it was when confronted by those who wanted a different way that the 'interpretations' and statement positions came into it.

It's much the same these days, that everyone kinda knows how to be a Christian and the way a Christian lives, but again those who are fixated on 'interpreting' don't really want to be a Christian so much as get something, or escape a feared punishment, so people again are called to account on their positions, which many can't really explain too easily. JWs put their faith in another round of men who have dissented from the mind of Christianity, and follow ways that clash with the original values that are understood by people all over.

Bang

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Biblical Test for a Prophet

by Treborr Jones in

jw
friends

the test for a prophet is found in deuteronomy 18:20-22. .

this scripture teaches that a prophet must be tested by checking his prophecies.

jesus said, "beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Bang

bjc2012 writes to Proplog2:
<< You've taken these verses out of context. >>

Bang replies:
But they have been removed from Christianity (and more), their ways being utterly rejected; after accepting into their hearts the worldly ideas of reward while considering that their 'earnings' are more worthy than others - and now, totally stumbled by their fellow man, the error is what they follow, and they inquire of a strange god - the inquirers and the prophets alike.

If we neglect Christ in our fellow we proceed without Him.

Bang

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Bible Error: Jesus Cures the Leper

by JosephAlward in

the author of mark thinks that jesus cured the leper after he cured simon peters mother-in-law, but the author of matthew says just the opposite: he thinks that jesus cured the leper before he cured the mother-in-law.

they both cannot be right, so the bible is in error.

here is the evidence:.

Bang

tdogg writes:

<< So now I have to find a man to tell me which man I can find to tell me what the Bible says. So maybe I am just 'fleshy', whatever that is supposed to mean, and I am predestined to not understand. If the Bible is a serious effort by the Almighty to talk to us, it doesn't appear to be a very effective means of communication. >>

Bang replies:

We've been told enough to know the way to be whole (holy); it's about giving all you can for the good of others - but before many people will come to that place, they want 'proof'.
And the 'proof' isn't given to everyone who doesn't care but would be willing to be a slave if they got something for it. Remember that 'the wicked seek for signs' - friends of God are just that - just friends.

The Bible is so effective that I stand in awe of the way that the doctrinal views that don't include one's fellow become confused and deluded by it - it's absolutely awesome. Consider the JW understanding of the Scripture and the extreme efforts that they have gone to in trying to figure it out, yet remain more confused than the non-religious because they search the Scriptures and don't come to Christ. A deed done in this very day.

It is true that men have been given understanding as to what certain Scriptures mean, and that's for a reason, but you can rest safely in the comfort that it's not the JW 'annointed'.

Bang

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Bible Error: Jesus Cures the Leper

by JosephAlward in

the author of mark thinks that jesus cured the leper after he cured simon peters mother-in-law, but the author of matthew says just the opposite: he thinks that jesus cured the leper before he cured the mother-in-law.

they both cannot be right, so the bible is in error.

here is the evidence:.

Bang

I'm still waiting to here Larsguys understanding of the unjust judge parable, but anyway,
does anyone here know who the 'leper' symbolises.
Joseph, Lars?

Bang

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philosophy/theology

by gotcha in

is anyone into philosophy of religion or catholic theology?

Bang

Well, I'm sort of into Catholic theology, and it marries with what I can percieve philosophically, and with my senses and personal experience. Did you have anything in particular in mind? I'm probably not so ofay with philosophical terminology as I am with Catholicism though.

Bang

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good enough translation?

by gotcha in

what's a good enough bible translation to use..?

how abt the new american bible?

Bang

I think Catholic versions will have books that are usually left out since the protestant reformation. Since that there have commonly been 66 books in Bibles, whereas I think Cathlics have long had 73. Try an RSV as well.

Bang

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

Bang

Gotcha wrote:
< do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment? >

Bang replies:
The Catholic ideal is concerned with caring for the poor, visiting the needy, visiting the prisoner etc., and keeping oneself. Considering the saying, "you search the scriptures but don't come to me", the Catholic perspective is to approach the Lord within one's fellow - that's the teaching anyway.

It has been said that the poor are blessed, broken and handed out for our sake. John spoke about how the judgement works (those whose deeds take them to the dark and to the light etc.); you'll find that those who disregard their fellow in material ways mightn't seek God, seek a different god, or only seek Him in a book, and so become discouraged or even deluded - in the dark anyway. The WT society shows an attempt at a different way to God, the false prophecies and confusion are the result - the darkness of not finding Him, the Light. No one needs to be a literary expert to understand it.

Bang

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The watchtower is true

by billy in

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friends

just looking briefly on this board, i can see all the warnings given in the watchtower about those leaving the organisation and sinking into the mire of the world are true.. you are all sad losers.

Bang

Hiya Billy,

<< .. because nothing is more corrupt than governments that many of you evidently give support to.>>

You'll eventually find that the WT society, who have played on your fears and straight out lied to you, are about as corrupt as it gets. You should have realised already with all the 'time is at hand' failures. When it's 2020 and all 'the generation' are 106 they'll probably tell you another lie to keep you with them.

Who is it that look and look, but don't come to Him - they still don't understand, because kindness and caring for the needy, the sick and the prisoner just isn't their thing - talking about being holy and keeping yourself clean is more like it - who in the Bible does that remind you of. Being scared inside about their true selves, they've striven with all their reading to find a different way. Figure it out, "when I was hungry etc." The judgement by preferring the dark is already happening, always is, and there's not many more in the dark than the org. The poor have been blessed, broken and handed out for their sake, but they don't want to come to that meal.

Even the heathen know it.

Bang

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where can one find faith?

by conflicted in

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friends

in an earlier post larsguy said the bible wasn't written for the layperson, but only for serious scholars and followers of christ.. .

...you imagine the bible is supposed to be a nice easy book without complexities to confound people, when in fact, if you actually read the bible you'd know that is precisely the case.. the bible is meant for christ and his followers specifically and not for outsiders!.

didn't you read in scripture when the disciples asked jesus why he spoke in parables that he told them that these secrets were for them and so that the outsiders, looking in vain, would not understand?.

Bang

SixofNine writes:

<< The GB? (hey, they believe sincerely, you wanna be like them?) Pastor Russell? >>

But what do they believe? and do they believe "In Him"?

Bang

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where can one find faith?

by conflicted in

jw
friends

in an earlier post larsguy said the bible wasn't written for the layperson, but only for serious scholars and followers of christ.. .

...you imagine the bible is supposed to be a nice easy book without complexities to confound people, when in fact, if you actually read the bible you'd know that is precisely the case.. the bible is meant for christ and his followers specifically and not for outsiders!.

didn't you read in scripture when the disciples asked jesus why he spoke in parables that he told them that these secrets were for them and so that the outsiders, looking in vain, would not understand?.

Bang

Conflicted reads:
<< The Bible is meant for Christ and his followers SPECIFICALLY and not for outsiders >>

Bang writes:

Well the understanding isn't to be bandied about all who simply want 'proof' before they'll love their fellow man - friends, not slaves - but we've all been let in on enough to know what we should do. Forget altogether what the W.T. org. puts forward if you really do want to understand. Larsguy & the org. are right in a way, sometimes I smurk about it, but it's only because I despair of no one.

Have you been helping the poor, visiting the prisoner, visiting the sick?
Have you prayed to God for mercy for your sins, and to help you not to sin, because he is good?

If your purpose is this, you'll come to know.
"..we will come and make our home with him.."

Bang