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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey

by JosephAlward in

the story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.

in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.

mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.

Bang

Joseph, in a certain style, you write:

Your remarks about the staff are largely unintelligible.

But your fanatical emphasis on correct grammar should lead you to write:
Your remarks about the staff are largely unintelligible 'to me', or perhaps 'to some of us' if you actually know that to be the case. How else are the readers to automatically know that it is only your opinion, if you leave something out ?

I suppose though that sometimes you just know things, or if you look into it you can find out, you know.

Bang

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Watchtower Study NOV 12-18, 2001--Barf alert!!

by dungbeetle in

draw close to god.

5 "draw close to god," wrote the disciple james, "and he will draw close to you.

must be helped to cultivate a taste for the word of god.

Bang

< Being long-suffering, or patient, does not mean "suffering long" > - got me on that one, I thought it did.

< Of course, no one should "make request" concerning blatant sin that is clearly being practiced unrepentantly by any individual once associated with the Christian congregation. >
- No one at all to pray for wayward young people? What about a priest, or a righteous person? I thought that Jeremiah was proclaiming to other people, "as for YOU", and John was saying, "I don't ask YOU to pray for them" - as in, punishment is due, it is We who will beseech God.

Not so with the org it seems - they don't have the courage it takes to seek the kindness of the measure of God, but rather, shrink back and cower for their own asses. No standing in the midst for 'God's channel on earth'.

Bang

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My father just beat my brother-

by ashitaka in

jw
friends

one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).

ashi.

p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.

Bang

Just make sure you're able. Get what help you need. You should know by now that you're dealing with some evil people. Often they'd rather die than loose all face.

Bang

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My father just beat my brother-

by ashitaka in

jw
friends

one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).

ashi.

p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.

Bang

I'm sorry that I don't live next door so I could ask him to beat me too, or instead.

Call the cops and social services, and, go around to the local JW hall leader's place (even better, to the wife in the middle of the day) and explain that you lay the responsibility of this at their feet before God, as it is they that have directed his religion. Be firm in saying that whether or not they accept any responsiblity, Jehovah is your witness in the matter - be alarming and polite.

I imagine they will reprimand him, but it'll only be an interim measure. He'll tone it down for a while, but because he shows up and agrees with 'jehovah', the local dubs will back his pride soon enough.

Bang

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Another Bible Oddity

by Yerusalyim in

joseph et al,.

what's the deal with jesus in mark 2:26 saying abiathar was high priest yet in 1 samuel 21:1 it's ahimelech who gives jesus the bread.

was jesus wrong, or is 1 samuel wrong?.

Bang

So did David only eat the Bread once? People go to communion every week.

Nevertheless, Ahimelech was priest but was he high priest? Why couldn't Abiathar have already been chosen by the Lord to be the high priest? He displayed his allegiance to David - also, I thought that some young men must have been with David somewhere about the place, or Ahimelech wouldn't have inquired about them.

Bang

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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey

by JosephAlward in

the story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.

in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.

mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.

Bang

Joseph,
I don't go in for that God's true name stuff - Allah or Yahweh (especially not Jehovah) - it make no difference to me what people call Him, but how and why they call Him that. I do believe that the scriptures contain the inspired word of God - I'm not as ofay with the Koran, so I don't know whether it is straightforward teaching of divine wisdom or a wonderous inspired writing. From what I understand it is for goodness, but people also use it in a fundy way for darkening the mind. I imagine the same type of reasons apply for requiring proof of authenticity.

Back to the debate:

It seems quite acceptable to me that Mark wrote of a different type of staff - particularly if you consider that He was sending them out with His power and authority. As I have stated, there are similar examples of 'contradiction'. In Christ's own words, "and if you are willing to accept it, he is Eli'jah who is to come."

You ask,

Can you explain to the forum why we should not take Luke's words at face value?

Well, we should be careful about joining up with the fundy's, and seeking for signs before making deals about lifestyles.

Bang

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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey

by JosephAlward in

the story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.

in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.

mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.

Bang

Joseph writes:

He doesn't realize that there are millions of muslims who believe that Bang would accept Allah as his god if only he would accept the Koran as his Bible

I'd be proud to be a muslim, as I would a christian, but if I required literary proof before doing so, I wouldn't feel I was either. We used a muslim prayer at church just recently.

I think I wrote that I wouldn't think it strange to take a spare staff into treeless country. And so to reiterate - what I was saying is that two different gospel writers related two different ideas in language (whether or not the staff was 'extra' like the sandals).

Bang

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Jehovah has real smart bombs

by Norm in

jw
friends

in brooklyn they praised jehovahs smart bomb capability many years ago.

*** w55 7/15 436-7 war from heaven brings peace to earth ***.

men can spray a field with chemicals that kill weeds but spare crops; too bad they cannot spray cities with bombs that blow the bad to bits but leave the innocent intact.. 11 the battle of armageddon is righteous and in harmony with jehovahs attributes of justice, power, wisdom and love.

Bang

You forgot some of the 'good news',

"The unburied dead, "those slain by Jehovah," will be so enormously many that even the carrion birds and scavenging wild beasts could never take care of their consumption. The burial of even what remains after these lower creatures have their fill would be stupendous. Doubtless the Almighty God will use some highly scientific means, whether including antimatter or not, to dispose of the surplus of decaying bodies in a speedy and sanitary way. This remains for the survivors of the "war of the great day" to see and witness. We remember that Noah and his seven fellow survivors of the global Deluge were not burdened with burying the human victims of that world catastrophe after they came out of the ark and renewed Jehovah’s worship on earth.—Genesis 8:18-22."

What a relief. People shouldn't have to stay up at night and worry about things like that.

"So it is reasonable to expect that God will dispose of excess bodies by other means."

Glad that the org. knows about how reasonable God is - he's probably as kind as those people in the bulldozers in those 'world at war' shots. Talk about Love.

"and "majestic ones" will "howl," yes, roll about on the ground."
Some good diversion therapy when they're sittin' with DAD.

Bang

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Anyone done an 'end of the world' psych study?

by Bang in

jw
friends

has anyone looked into what psychological factors or psychosocial structures, apart from if your parents were jw, persuade people to believe that the world is going to end soon?

there are groups of people apart from jws who also succumbe to this perplexing phenomena, and i wonder what triggers it, and/or if there are any official studies on it.

i reckon it'd make a good thesis.. maybe it's mainly a city thing?.

Bang

No one?

Don't tell me y'all still think the world is going to end soon. Bloody hell, people out there can chew ya to bits with ideas like that, and swallow ya for breakfast. Get out of the org!

Bang

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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey

by JosephAlward in

the story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.

in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.

mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.

Bang

Joseph writes:

In other words, these boys want us to believe that Luke assumed we would automatically imagine that the word "extra" appeared between the two words, "no staff" in the verse above.

No, they're your 'other words' - that's what you want to say I said, as a means of presenting some kind of argument. What I was saying is that two gospel writers related two different ideas in language, whether or not the staff was extra like the sandals.

There's plenty of textual evidence for people saying different things to one another while speaking truthfully in the manner it is said. First to mind for me is John saying 'I'm not Elijah' or 'I did not know Him', and of course Peter talking about Judas, as you know.

You know, there's many people who say they are willing to be a christian but only if someone can prove it to them - they 'seek for a sign'. The 'errors' you find can well be the mind's door out, if that's really your desire, He's not forcing anyone.

Bang