first of all i do not want to turn this into an american bashing thread, that is not my intention at all.. i would like to hear americans opinions as to what my thirteen year old son asked me tonight.. on the way back from swimming tonight my two sons (13 and 11) and myself started talking about wars.
my 11 year old was the first to bring it up talking about wwi & ww2.
we had an interesting conversation about it, then the subject got onto nuclear bombs.
i do tell my kids of Britains role with its empire
Don't forget to teach him why the sun never set on the British empire. LOL
JWD members excessive hatred for America might be linked to a
subconscience memory of the evil Anglo-American empire dub teachings.
first of all i do not want to turn this into an american bashing thread, that is not my intention at all.. i would like to hear americans opinions as to what my thirteen year old son asked me tonight.. on the way back from swimming tonight my two sons (13 and 11) and myself started talking about wars.
my 11 year old was the first to bring it up talking about wwi & ww2.
we had an interesting conversation about it, then the subject got onto nuclear bombs.
but these are the words and sentiments of a 13 year old English kid and wondered how those in the US really feel about this?
When your this young you really don't have a full understanding of the way the world really works.
I feel we do the right thing most of the time.
Do you understand that there was no pressing military need to nuke anything in Japan?
It's called winning with minimal casualties to your side.
They surrendered after the second bomb. Huh, imagine that.
dieing by a nuc or dieing by a conventional bomb is still dieing.
i wanted to say thank you to the wbts for enforcing a 'no-contact' rule on all those that have left the organization.. only by experiencing first-hand my former best-friends treating me like a complete stranger (see 'garbage') for standing up for my own beliefs was i finally able to tell the society 'good-bye' forever and not feel guilty about it.. i know this was not the wbts's intention from the alienation practice.
it's intention was to make me feel guilty and lonely enough to come back to them.
however, it has backfired on them and finally given me my freedom.. thank you, society, for lacking kindness and understanding.
Welcome newbies,
obves I have been listening to this guy on the radio on my commute and he is a nut job.
Anyone who predicts the end is doing a diservice to God and man, by further alienating people from God, after their presumptous predictions fail.
http://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/camping.htm
Harold Camping has again proclaimed the probable end of the world. This time the end of the world is set for 2011 A.D. He has written a new book entitled Time Has An End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 BC - 2011 AD (Vantage Press: 2005). In this book he proclaims like a modern day prophet that the Church Age ended in 1988, 40 years after the beginning of the nation of Israel in 1948. This is also the beginning of the Great Tribulation in 1988. 1994 marks the beginning of the 2nd Jubilee (Later Rain). Previously, he said 1994 was to be the end of the world. The probable end of the world is now set at 2011 A.D. See Chart . Usually millennialists say there are seven years of tribulation followed directly by the return of Christ. I may not be good at math, but there seems to be a lot more than 7 years between 1988 and 2011.
According to Camping there is now a two-part program to the Great Tribulation (page 421). The main reason Camping sites for the end of the world in 2011 AD is that it is 7,000 years from the Noachian Flood which he claims was in 4990 BC. It is also 23 years from the beginning of the Great Tribulation which is the magic number of judgment (page 425). Christians are now to leave their (spiritual) homeland (the church) just like Jacob and Judah did (page 426). The most likely time of Christ's coming is at the Feast of Ingathering (the 15-22 of the seventh month of the Jewish calendar) which would be in the fall of 2011 (September-October, page 433). According to Camping, when the Tribulation ends, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not shine, and the stars shall fall from heaven (page 433). It sounds like a spectacular astronomical show for 2011, but since Camping has been repeatedly wrong in the past, I have little hope that we will see the promised spectacular show in 2011.
i've asked afew witnesses at work and around town about no more bookstudy.........they are all so relieved!
one elder with four kids said..."it will make things alot easier, with rushing home from work, the society understands our needs.
"......another brother said: "it's great, now we can go to the cinema on half price tuesday's!
We don't have to go to the meetings !
We want to go to the meetings !!!!!!!!!!
umm, we are umm canceling the book study night .
Yahooooooo party time !!!!!!
a very good friend of mine is convinced that the change in the book study arrangement.
is a sign that the end is so near and the jehovah made the change to emphasize the.
importance of the meetings.
It Promotes Uuuniteeeeee
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If an upset person does not work at controlling his emotions and making peace with his brother, a grudge could develop. There have been cases when a Witness asked not to be assigned to a certain Congregation Book Study because he did "not care for" some Christian or family attending there. How sad! The Bible says it would be a defeat for Christians to take one another to worldly courts, but would it not be equally a defeat if we avoided a brother over a past slight to us or to some relative? Do our emotions reveal that we put blood relationships ahead of peace with our brothers and sisters? Do we say that we would be willing to die for our sister, but our emotions so move us that we hardly speak with her now? (Compare John 15:13.) God tells us pointedly: "Return evil for evil to no one. . . . If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men. Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath."—Romans 12:17-19; 1 Corinthians 6:7.
I always wanted to go to the cool book study !
a very good friend of mine is convinced that the change in the book study arrangement.
is a sign that the end is so near and the jehovah made the change to emphasize the.
importance of the meetings.
Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. It is not the fact that groups are organized that is bad. But many have promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings and are largely ritualistic instead of providing genuine spiritual guidance; they have been misused to control the lives of people for selfish objectives; they have been overly concerned with money collections and ornate houses of worship instead of spiritual values; their members are often hypocritical. Obviously no one who loves righteousness would want to belong to such an organization. But true religion is a refreshing contrast to all of that. Nevertheless, to fulfill the Bible’s requirements, it must be organized.
Heb. 10:24, 25: "Let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near." (To carry out this Scriptural command, there must be Christian meetings that we can attend on a consistent basis. Such an arrangement encourages us to express love toward others, not only concern about self.)
Who would have thought it would be so much fun to quote scripture to jaydubeeyas.
i'm curious, because my brother was up there for 20+ years and he never mentioned anything about it.. then i read on here how there were suicides by people jumping off buildings and such.
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how did they keep that quiet.. links to these stories ?.
I'm curious, because my brother was up there for 20+ years and he never mentioned anything about it.
Then I read on here how there were suicides by people jumping off buildings and such.
How did they keep that quiet.
Links to these stories ?
if the "truth" keeps changing shouldn't they call it "in search of the truth"?
an orange is always an orange, and apple always an apple they do not change.
so how is it "truth" can change?
my mom told me that at her sisters kindom hall, before the annoucement was read.
the po said "friends this letter from the governing body will emphasize why you have.
to be at all of the meetings.
My mom says the governing body must know something big is about to happen.
She also says there is going to be food shortages because the farmers won't be able to pay for gas to work the fields.
Hearing about high gas at the kingdom hall really got her bent.
JW workmate says "How did you know about the bs change" I told him a "P.O. told me" (not a lie ha).
I then told him about this web site and ajwrb. His dad is a P.O. and on the hospital liason commitee.( if your reading this j.b. hi)
He said "he thinks the society is preparing them for the time when things are so bad that they won't be able to meet together."
JW's are simple, naive and gullible, very excitable people.
God did I really think like this years ago.
back in 1959 i became best friends with a fellow who was instrumental in my becoming a jehovah's witness.
yesterday i attended his mother's funeral.. from the time i was 12 years old i became a part of johnny's family and got to know his mother, jennie, very well.
in fact, she was more instrumental in convincing me there was intellectual merit to the reasoning process of consulting the bible and drawing jw conclusions than any of the arguments johnny and i had.. fast forward a bit.
Thanks for sharing.
Of course you know what their conversation was after they talked to you.
Well, you know, this might be the very thing that turns him back to Jehovah blah blah blah.........
