Posts by moomanchu

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Re-reading "Crisis of Conscience" again....

by ziddina in

the 'revelations' hit me even harder, the second time around..... i purchased two copies, the version copyrighted 1983 and the version copyrighted 2004. i kept the old version [1983] and just donated the 2004 copy to my local library - with a quick warning that 'cult' members may be inclined to steal the expose.

i decided to read it again to try to visualize how a "worldly" person who is unacquainted with the jws would view the book.... in reading the book again, i am more forcefully struck by the blatant contradictions between the 'official' stance of the watchtower society and their 'behind-the-scenes' behavior.... chapters 3 & 4 - "governing body" and "internal upheaval and restructure" - contain some eye-popping material... the earlier portion of chapter 3 touches on the intrusive regulation of sexual practices between husband and wife [i'll bet any worldly person reading that would find that chilling, to say the least...], and then goes into the power struggles between russell's followers and rutherford's ousting of said followers during his successful bid for control.. very revealing... i was also struck by the fact that the wtbts was a religion with a single man leading it, until the very end of nathan knorr's period of leadership, despite the claims of the watchtower magazine that "god's organization" was being run by a "governing body" of spiritual "caretakers" for several years prior to the actual existence of said "governing body"!!!.

as ray franz states, page 65 of 1983 version: "[quote from 12/15/71 watchtower...]: "thus, too, even though there were no apostles of christ on hand in the nineteenth century, god's holy spirit must have been operative toward the formation of the governing body for his anoited remnant ... the facts speak for themselves.

moomanchu

Alice you are fucked up ...... baaaaad.

Or maybe you are just the master troll.

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ARMAGEDDON IN 1925 - TIMELINE OF QUOTES

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

you can freely distribute this information to your family, friends, news media, anyone!

below is a timeline of watchtower quotes about armageddon coming in 1925!.

i got most of these quotes from the great quotes website at http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com and a few other websites!.

moomanchu

Good compilation of scriptures

just what I was looking for

thanks

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Official: Ted Jaracz's Funeral Brochure

by yknot in

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friends

i received this generous offering from 'anonymous brother'.

his comments : hmmm...why do i not see such things at most jw funerals?.

please give your 'thank you' to "anonymous brother'.

moomanchu

Thanks for that.

"Deeply saddened by their loss" ?

What did they think he was going to live forever ?

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jw-media report on Conventions

by behemot in

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friends

did you watch this?.

http://www.jw-media.org/gbl/gbl04e.htm.

insert comments.

moomanchu

That was really Fabulous, beautiful, joyful, lovely and wonderful .

Becoming a JW is a personal choice that is made on a individual basis.

Everyone has the right to decide what to do with their life. Tell that to an 8-18 year old kid.

Why, you know if everyone was a Jehovah Witness we would live in a perfect world !!!

Thanks for raising my blood pressure.

moo

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DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

by Wasanelder Once in

i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

moomanchu

Thanks Titus,

Not a bad quality production, but what rose colored glasses they have.

JW's are sure good at braggin about themselves.

Music reminded me of Moses and the ten commandments.

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The Millerites: Armageddon (History Channel) 4 min clip

by moomanchu in

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friends

does anyone have this clip available for download.

i didn't see a way to copy the video off of danny's site.. i would love to send this in e-mails to relatives and other jw's.

http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm.

moomanchu

RR,

I tried that it only saves the link.

You're right it is bad quality wise.

You could rip your DVD to your computer and upload, then file share .

moo

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The Millerites: Armageddon (History Channel) 4 min clip

by moomanchu in

jw
friends

does anyone have this clip available for download.

i didn't see a way to copy the video off of danny's site.. i would love to send this in e-mails to relatives and other jw's.

http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm.

moomanchu

Does anyone have this clip available for download.

I didn't see a way to copy the video off of Danny's site.

I would love to send this in e-mails to relatives and other JW's

http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm

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DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

by Wasanelder Once in

i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

moomanchu

May I have the link also?

please

moo

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Audio: Generation teaching as explained at the San Diego District Convention 05-30-2010

by kurtbethel in

this is an excerpt from the final talk of the day, "remain in the secret place of the most high".

i looked around as this explanation was being offered up, and the looks on the faces of people there was mostly disinterest.

this is a very convoluted explanation that reminds me of someone running a con and trying to cobble together an explanation to deal with legitimate objections to their false claims.. http://www.sendspace.com/file/dodp4w.

moomanchu

If a witness taught this a couple of years ago they would be disfellowshipped?

Do not teach the old version that the society taught for some 80 years or you will be disfellowshipped?

Old Light New Light

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Audio: Generation teaching as explained at the San Diego District Convention 05-30-2010

by kurtbethel in

this is an excerpt from the final talk of the day, "remain in the secret place of the most high".

i looked around as this explanation was being offered up, and the looks on the faces of people there was mostly disinterest.

this is a very convoluted explanation that reminds me of someone running a con and trying to cobble together an explanation to deal with legitimate objections to their false claims.. http://www.sendspace.com/file/dodp4w.

moomanchu

.....correspondingly the generation referred to at Mathew chapter 24:34 comprises 2 groups of anointed Christians, 2 groups of anointed Christians

.....Jesus words at Mathew 24:34 indicate that some in the 2nd group will witness the beginning of the great tribulation......

He does not say the 1st group would witness the start of the Great Tribulation.

Only that some from the 2nd group would witness the start of the Great Tribulation.

Sooooooooo all the 1st group must die before the start of the Great Tribulation.

It is a thrilling new provision from Jehovah

It is a delightful new dvd

Why does this part make me think of the price is right??

I wonder if the teens are having fun with this term "the secret place"

Thanks for posting that