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  Public Reproof will be made as scheduled.

  by badwillie in

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  i want to let all of you know that we have decided not to contest the elders decision to publicly reprove us tonight.

  after a lot of thought, we feel in the long run that by letting this go ahead it will only make the elders and the organization look guilty, not us.. the elders have basically ordered us not to talk about what our "crime" is with anyone.

  so we have decided that we will tell others what our crime was not, i.e.

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  barry

  Dear Badwillie,
  This behaviour by the elders is just not normal. Im an SDA and the SDAs would have to be one of the most conservative religions around. Ive studied with the JWs in the past and I know most of the teachings. Ive been an SDA all my life and Ive seen people dissagree with the churches fundamental doctrines by standing up in a meeting and challenging the minister when he tried to push the official position that the SDA church is the remnant church of revelation chapter 14. Three members stood to there feet each saying they regret the position the pastor had taken and that was the end of the meeting when the pastor quickly retreated and said that he didnt beleive it either. Others in the church beleive the SDA is the remnant church its like saying the SDA is the only true church. This incident is not unusual with doctrinal positions. But how can you argue with the UN thing its not even a doctrinal position its a fact.
  Barry
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  My past weekend

  by Leander in

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  saturday afternoon i made the decision to step down as a minsterial servant.

  i had given it a lot of thought and i came to the conclusion that i would be doing the right thing.

  i told my wife about the decision i had planned on making and that basically killed her mood for the rest of the day.

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  Dear Leander,
  Ill give you a site to read it will give you a different slant to approach the question of, where is gods organisation, it can only be the Jehovahs Witnesses roundabout arguement. This artical will explain it better than I could and its about how the Reformers dealt with this issue. http://www.goodnewsunlimited.org.au/gnu-sda2.htm
  Barry
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  JWs the Only Ones who use "God's Name"?

  by Stephanus in

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  servants of yahweh:.

  http://www.serveyahweh.org/.

  house of yahweh:.

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  Dear Step,
  Just grab a hymnbook from Bablyon the Great any denomination and see how much Jehovah is used in the hymns . I did this when I was studied with the JWs and I was suprised myself without checking right now I think at least 25%. I showed it to the lady I studied with.
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  Why My Wife and I Have No Kids

  by JT in

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  *** g74 11/8 ***9 is this the time to have children?there has always been a positive attitude about childbearing.

  *** g74 11/8 10 is this the time to have children?

  what does imminent mean?

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  Dont worry about anyone says and dont feel guilty about having kids there lots of fun Ive got two boys 1 and 5 both you and your wife are not too old but dont leave it to long start tonight. No christian group has any right at all to influence you in any way and if they do they should identify themselves as a CULT.
  God bless, Barry
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  JW Children: Feeling alone and sad

  by Gopher in

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  friday many american schools recited the pledge of allegiance to the nation's flag simultaneously, at 2pm eastern time (8am in hawaii).

  to be sure, the pressure on children of jw's was great because of the nationalistic feelings that have swept america in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks.. should jw parents simply have removed their children for that afternoon?

  or perhaps armed them with a better explanation (about why they won't say the pledge) then "it's because of my religion"???.

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  When I was at school the JW kids got the best deal they didnt have to go to scripture classes and had a free period doing what they wanted to.
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  Help!! I am extremely confused.

  by Leander in

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  i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.

  i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.

  also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.

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  Dear Leander,
  Thought you might like an opinion from Babylon the great about the 1914 doctrine because im a SDA and that is just a recycled SDA doctrine.
  I studied with the JWs for about 6mths and learnt about it and I reconized straight away. The SDA doctrine is based on Daniel chapter 8 but many principles are the same, the year day principle even though the word year is not mentioned in daniel 8 or daniel 4, both religions beleived christ would come bodily at the time for the SDAs is 1844, when the prophesy wasnt occure both religions altered the event the SDAs inventing the Investigative Judgement, the SDAs refering to Revelation where the little book was eaten and it is sweet in the mouth but bitter in the belly, also Charles Taze Russell had contact with second Adventists and predictions were made for Christs comming in 1874 so there is quite a history to it all.
  Adventists have this doctrine as one of there fundamental beleifs but members ,pasters and theologins dont agree with it because they dont beleive 1844 can be found in the bible with normal accepted methods of interpretation and the church is divided so its not a small thing. I can give you a link that will have information to show the point of view of the Evangicals in the church and you will find some points can be used for 1914 http://www.goodnewsunlimiyed.org.au/rogol.htm or you could email me [email protected] The traditional SDAs I would consider a Cult just like the JWs.
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  A Recognition of the Fact

  by barry in

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  the jewish people do not recognize jesus as their saviour.. the protestants do not recognize the pope as the leader of the church.. the jws dont recognize that any other religion would be approved by god.

  the southern baptists do not recognize each other in a liquor store.

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  The Jewish people do not recognize jesus as their saviour.
  The Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the church.
  The JWs dont recognize that any other religion would be approved by God
  The Southern Baptists do not recognize each other in a liquor store.
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  THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL JEHOVAH'S WITNESS SITE

  by nyc_gal in

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  this site is not an official website of jehovah's .

  witnesses.

  i cannot believe some of the horrible things i have read here.

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  barry

  Get rid of that flag and then no one will ever know. Anyone with more sugestions on how we can remain in the fold please post them without dellay. It wouldnt be nice to stumble the brothers [or sistas].
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  Is there a scriptural basis for....

  by Leander in

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  having an earthly organization?.

  it seems whenever you talk to someone about mistakes or failed prophecies that the society has made they always ask the question where else are you going to go?.

  while i agree there has been a lot of good things the society has done i still don't understand why many choose to ignore the fact that by the society making numerous failed predictions they fulfill the scripture at luke 21:8. then theres also the scripture at deut.

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  barry

  Im a SDA and many of the doctrinal points have been researched already. Traditional SDAism is similar to the JWs in some doctrines and the SDA church is having problems between the Traditionalists and the Evangelicals who reject those doctrines. You might like to start with Good News Unlimited. http://www.goodnewsunlimited.org.au/gnu-sda4.htm The title is gods final word. Also you can find out on this site, is the year day principle valid, what is the true church, historicism. When I studied with the JW I found the same errors in both churches. The Administrators agree with the traditionalists while the theologins agree with the evangelicals for the most part. Best of luck
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  prophecy and prediction

  by radar in

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  lets play a game!.

  any prophets amongst us?.

  lets see who can make the most accurate predictions/prophecies pertaining to world news, for this month of october.. at the end of this month, we will match up the ones that have come true and see who is prophet of the month.. and do not forget to post it here!!!!

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  barry

  John Howard will win the election in australia