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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

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  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  Tradition determined which books should be included in the Bible or am I missing something here. Barry
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  Irongland the tradition of the church is the first scource of christian beleif after all the bible is a product of tradition, Barry
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  barry

  Argueing christian beleif from the bible only is the wrong way to go. The bible wasnt all put together as we know it until 369ad and the trinity doctrine in the nicean creed had been established about 40 years before that. The nicean creed came from the creed of ceasarea which is realy a baptisimal statement and right throughout christendom there were hundreds of these baptisimal statements all haveing the same pattern. I recall reading about a very early baptisimal statement from the 2nd century that says.' I beleive in God the father creater of the universe, and in jesus christ our lord, and in the holy spirit. In the holy catholic church and the forgiveness of sins' A statement which looks very much like the nicean creed.
  In the first centuries of the church tradition was the Authority of the church the teaching handed down by the Apostals that were given to them by the Lord. Barry
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  When does a christian receive the Holy Spirit?

  by barry in

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  from the new world translation.2 corinthians 1 verse 22 he has put this seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come that is the spirit in our hearts.

  from this its saying its some future event when a christian receives the holy spirit.. my new english bible says.

  who has placed his mark of ownership upon us, and who has given us the holy spirit in our hearts as the guarantee of all that he has in store for us.

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  Thanks everyone for all the thought you have all put into this it is very much appreciated. Barry
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  When does a christian receive the Holy Spirit?

  by barry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the new world translation.2 corinthians 1 verse 22 he has put this seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come that is the spirit in our hearts.

  from this its saying its some future event when a christian receives the holy spirit.. my new english bible says.

  who has placed his mark of ownership upon us, and who has given us the holy spirit in our hearts as the guarantee of all that he has in store for us.

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  barry

  From the New World Translation.2 Corinthians 1 verse 22 He has put this seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come that is the spirit in our hearts. From this its saying its some future event when a christian receives the holy spirit.
  My New english bible says. who has placed his mark of ownership upon us, and who has given us the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the guarantee of all that he has in store for us. A different meaning here we allready have the Holy Spirit
  Your comments would be appreciated its for my ex wife and she is trying to understand the JW position. Barry
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  Are There Any Episcopalians Out There?

  by Robdar in

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  okay, the episcopalians are out to convert me.

  i have recently made a couple of new friends, both episcopalian, and they are eager for me to attend one of their services.

  they have nothing but good things to say about their church and its members.

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  I think Aussiepost is an episcopalian and I havent seen him commenting here he might soon. When I was a school student a long time ago I used to go to Anglican scripture they allways started with the Apostals creed sthe eastern churches dont have the Apostals creed just the nicean creed and the creed of Athanasius. Over here we call them Anglicans or the church of england.Barry
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  Are There Any Episcopalians Out There?

  by Robdar in

  1. jw
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  okay, the episcopalians are out to convert me.

  i have recently made a couple of new friends, both episcopalian, and they are eager for me to attend one of their services.

  they have nothing but good things to say about their church and its members.

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  The Queen is Episcopalian except when she goes accross the border to Scotland where she automaticly becomes Presbyterterian. The Episcopalians have 39 articals of faith which are basic christian beleifs. They are fairly flexible my wife and I got married in that church the priest was the only episcopalian there all the rest were SDA and catholic. Thje sda and the catholics have funny idears about marrying people but we still had to go to their classes for a whole day with other pre marriage people. Barry
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  Go Theocratic War.... fair???

  by kelpie in

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  go theocratic warfare!!

  i thought i would update you all... .

  i have officially "moved" out from my flat that "shared" with a male... .

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  barry

  Kim, The rules in this house are that you are suppost to spend time with the family, we never see you, I know you work hard and have a boyfriend but it wood If you would at least have a meal with sometime. Barry
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  Elder calls this site apostate

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you may know my ex wife has been studying with the witnesses, and has allways had a soft spot for the wt teaching of neutrality in wartime.

  ive been sending her information from this site with issues i feel are important such as silent lambs, blood,the two witness issue and shunning.

  anyway she has been useing the information to ask questions one elder after reading information from here said that he shouldnt be reading apostate literature.

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  Thanks everyone for youre comments they are greatly appreciated and helpfull. Thanks detective for such a good site iv printed off some stuff to send to the exwife. This is for my exwife she phones me up occasionally. We allways get on OK I just dont want anyone of these groups to deceive her the way they do to others. Barry
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  Elder calls this site apostate

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you may know my ex wife has been studying with the witnesses, and has allways had a soft spot for the wt teaching of neutrality in wartime.

  ive been sending her information from this site with issues i feel are important such as silent lambs, blood,the two witness issue and shunning.

  anyway she has been useing the information to ask questions one elder after reading information from here said that he shouldnt be reading apostate literature.

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  barry

  Ive never heard of coonites before now but from what my ex wife said they dont have bible studies and you have to go to the meetings they hold to learn what they beleive also they sing very old hymns and that is all I know what I have been told. Barry