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Religions similar to JWs.

by LtCmd.Lore in

does anyone know of any religions that are very similar to jehovahs witnesses?.

it tends to come up in discussions with them a lot, they like to think that they are the only ones that don't believe in hell, the trinity, that jesus died on a stake, that they won't go to heaven, or stuff like that.

i could probaby just prove them wrong, but that would take forever and it would be a lot easier to just say: "you're not as unique as you think...".

barry

Gday Monophonic,

SDAs were Arian and Trinitarian about 1900 and then the official position became Trinitarian. As a result there is still a small sector of Adventists that are still Arian and beleive the same as the WT on this. The Adventists came from different churches as well as some small groups who didnt beleive in the trinity and these same roots effected the WT org.

SDAs dont restrict any holidays and as you rightly pointed out now have women as clergy

Similar to the WT Adventists beleive in soul sleep and use the historicist view of interpreting bible prophecy.

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Mormon lady shocked at JW disfellowshipping policy

by yaddayadda in

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was talking to a mormon friend about the jw policy of shunning disfellowshipped persons.

she was pretty shocked to hear that jw totally ignore disfellowshipped ones, not even saying hello, even family members.

told her that you have to spend months attending their meetings to grovel your way back and the whole time no one talks to you, not a word.

barry

Im an SDA and there is no disfellowshipping, excommunication or shunning. The most church leaders can do is ask you to leave if there is any problem. The thinking behind this is that people will decide themselves if they want to belong to the SDA church. There are differences in doctrine within the SDAs anyway so even though most beleive the trinity I could beleive as some do Arianism and still be a member. This makes dissfellowshipping unworkable anyway because who would you dissfellowship Arians or Trinitarians?

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What suicide bombers get in Paradise...

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

after dying a grisly death in an afghan cave, osama made his way to the pearly gates.

there, he was greeted by george washington.

"how dare you attack the nation i helped conceive!

barry

Merry do you get 72 virgin men or do you still have the same old bloke you are married to? While youre husband gets the virgins.

I do recall Mohamad said that hell is full of women.

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What suicide bombers get in Paradise...

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

after dying a grisly death in an afghan cave, osama made his way to the pearly gates.

there, he was greeted by george washington.

"how dare you attack the nation i helped conceive!

barry

You might upset Merry with that.

I just wonderl what would Merry get at the pearly gates or any muslim women get? I beleive they are second class citizens even in the after life.

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One in five Apostates thinks the sun, moon and stars revolve around Minimus

by BizzyBee in

what do you think?

barry

They do and Im not an Apostate

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Has being a Witness made it hard for you to love Jesus?

by jwfacts in

whenever i hear the word jehovah i still feel warm and fuzzy.

he was the god that i spent hours talking to in prayer, petitioning, thanking, pleading with.

he was my father, the creator, the one who we would worship for eternity.. jesus on the other hand i never spoke or prayed to.

barry

I once heard a minister talking about a backslider he visited. The girl said I love Jesus but I dont like God. Of course she was talking about the Judgemental God of the old testiment. The minister explained being trinitianian that Jesus was the visible likeness of the invisible God.

I think this is the problem with the WT Arian beleif they dont quite know where to put Jesus we could argue all day about the trinity but things are still not quite right and Jesus doesnt fit in.

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Will the JW's become mainstream?

by Save My Soul in

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it seems over the years, the organization has done 360's on several topics.

do you think they will ever go mainstream with their beliefs.

for example, college is good, blood is a conscience decision (without punishment), ect....... .

barry

garybus I dont think it would be necessary forthe WT to change its many doctrines to be mainsream. I think doctrines like Arianism, soul sleep could be retained. What would be necessary is to change the blood policy, shunning disfellowshiping and preventing people from getting an education.

Of course without accepting the trinity doctrine they would be on the fringes of christianity and it would be hard for them to be included into fellowship with other christian churches.

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Video based on DC talk on "Superiority of Education by Jehovah" It's short

by Wasanelder Once in

it's only three minutes or so, let me know what you think.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctu6zjasupa.

thanks,.

w.once.

barry

What about the parable about the talents, doesnt Jesus want us to do our best in the field of our choice. The ones not useing their talents were chastised. Congregations of other churches are encouraged to witness to people in there own way in work or society at all levels.

How could a doctor be witnessed to by uneducated JWs, it may happen but would probably be more successful by his piers..

I know SDAs, Baptists Presbyterian and Catholics all witness their faith in an effective way.

Of couse the real reson the'WT doesnt like higher education is the resons Blondie brought out because they may be to much of an indepentent thinker for the WT.

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Darwin's defense of missionaries

by Dogpatch in

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interesting article on darwin: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2007-07-01-darwin-missionaries_n.htm?csp=1 more than a century after his death, people are still trying to understand charles darwin.

and a new report says those who label him anti-religion are wrong.

the 19th century english biologist famous for his theory of evolution supported christian missionary work his entire adult life, reports a cultural historian.

barry

I recall reading dsomewhere Darwins father was a clergyman

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WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

by A-Team in

nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .

28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!

29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?

barry

Gday Waynel, Yes the witnesses are unscriptual to reject xmas for the reason in Romans 14.5 One man considers one day more important than another, another man considers every day alike. While this is talking about the jewish festivals it also shows there was great flexibility in the early church where people accepted differing positions.

On hell in the catholic church it is a left over from the middle ages the pope doesnt beleive in everlasting torement.

Also why the preoccupation in useing the scriptures in youre proofs.

Imagine if you were a christian in say 200ad you may ony have a few books of the bible remember it wasnt until about 369ad that the christian church decided on the whole nt as we have it today I t was accually tradition which determined which books were included in the new testiment as you may know the book of clement was not included, the book of revelation was the last to be accepted because some people thought it wasnt written by John.

So it is with the trinity it was accepted very early sure not all the details had been thrashed out. The creed of Ceasareer was developed into the Nicean creed and the creed of Ceasareer was accully a baptisimal statement. In fact their were many baptisimal statements all haveing the same patern. The earliest baptisimal statement was found only about 100 years ago and is as follows .

We beleive in God the father maker of heaven and earth

And in his son Jesus Christ our lord

And in the holy spirit

And in th eforgiveness of sins.

Does this statement look familure? Isnt it the framework of the Nicean creed?