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  Are the Adventists looking to attract downtrodden JW's?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if anyone has already posted on this but i did not see anything related in the few pages of active topics i checked.. last saturday i went to an oil change facilty and one of their perks is they give you a copy of the current usa today while you wait in your car.

  on page 8a is a full page ad titled "liberty of conscience threatened.... a national sunday law will be established as the mark of the beast.".

  the article then goes on a typical adventist rant about how saturday, not sunday, is the real sabbath established by god.

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  barry

  Gday ArbolesdeArabia,

  I just read one of your links about SDAs

  I found the link about SDAs also attacked Southern Baptists and called them Apostate and also Lutherans calling them Bible corrupters

  The teaching of annihalation of the wicked is also taught by about 20% of evangelicals and was spoken about at a mens day last weekend I attended run by the Anglican church here in Canberra.

  The Adventists are not united in doctrine and the investigative doctrine and sinless perfection is very controversial with much of the church the evangelicals not beleiving it in any way.

  The cultic doctrines are held by what I would call the Traditional Adventists and the quote from Walter Martin is referring to the use of Ellen White by these Traditionals. Barry
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  Are the Adventists looking to attract downtrodden JW's?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if anyone has already posted on this but i did not see anything related in the few pages of active topics i checked.. last saturday i went to an oil change facilty and one of their perks is they give you a copy of the current usa today while you wait in your car.

  on page 8a is a full page ad titled "liberty of conscience threatened.... a national sunday law will be established as the mark of the beast.".

  the article then goes on a typical adventist rant about how saturday, not sunday, is the real sabbath established by god.

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  barry

  I should also mention SDAs that follow what is termed the health message live approximately 10 years longer than the average. The SDAs that follow the ordinary western diet have no advantage over the rest of the population. Barry
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  Are the Adventists looking to attract downtrodden JW's?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if anyone has already posted on this but i did not see anything related in the few pages of active topics i checked.. last saturday i went to an oil change facilty and one of their perks is they give you a copy of the current usa today while you wait in your car.

  on page 8a is a full page ad titled "liberty of conscience threatened.... a national sunday law will be established as the mark of the beast.".

  the article then goes on a typical adventist rant about how saturday, not sunday, is the real sabbath established by god.

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  barry

  Walter Martin wrote a book in the 1950s called the 'Truth about SDAs ' . The SDA church also released a book at the same time called 'Questions on doctrine' and it was structured with Walter martin asking questions to the SDA church and the church responding with their answers to doctrinal positions because there was much confusion as to the statis of the SDAs as to if they should be classified as a cult or not. Walter Martin at that time classified SDAs as a christian church but with some hetrodox positions such as soul sleep, the role of Ellen g White and the investigative judgement . Barry
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  Are the Adventists looking to attract downtrodden JW's?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if anyone has already posted on this but i did not see anything related in the few pages of active topics i checked.. last saturday i went to an oil change facilty and one of their perks is they give you a copy of the current usa today while you wait in your car.

  on page 8a is a full page ad titled "liberty of conscience threatened.... a national sunday law will be established as the mark of the beast.".

  the article then goes on a typical adventist rant about how saturday, not sunday, is the real sabbath established by god.

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  barry

  As a former Adventist I may be able to help here.

  Jwop, All christians are taken to heaven at the second comming.

  The lake of fire is where the satan and also the wicked are punished at the end of the thousand years. This is not a punishment for ever and ever but only for a time determined by God.

  jThe paradise on earth is for the faithful after the thousand years.

  Yadda Yadda, I beleive most Adventists would see shunning as unchristian I have not experianced it and I haven't even heard of it being used.

  Da Cheech, Adventists only observe the sabbath not the other jewish festivals. The reason Adventists have the sabbath is because its on e of the ten commandments and separate from the rest of the jewish law. Barry
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  What issue might effect changes to the GB of Jehovahs Witnesses

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it would have to be a grass roots issue and something that questions their authority for ever .. an non doctrinal issue may catch the gb by supprise.. many issues have allready been resolved in a very dramatic way slavery is now not a problem, women have the vote and we are taught to respect minority groups.. on the other hand what about a grass roots issue by jehovahs witnesses to accept womens ordination of elders.

  other churches such as the anglicans now have women ordained to the ministry the adventists have had women pastors commissioned for a while now and have just voted in some unions to have women ordained to give women the same rights as men.

  i just wondered what your thoughts are on this?.

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  barry

  It would have to be a grass roots issue and something that questions their authority for ever .

  An non doctrinal issue may catch the GB by supprise.

  Many issues have allready been resolved in a very dramatic way slavery is now not a problem, women have the vote and we are taught to respect minority groups.

  On the other hand what about a grass roots issue by Jehovahs Witnesses to accept womens ordination of elders. Other churches such as the Anglicans now have women ordained to the ministry the Adventists have had women pastors commissioned for a while now and have just voted in some unions to have women ordained to give women the same rights as men.

  I just wondered what your thoughts are on this?

  Barry

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  Jesus=The archangel Michael?

  by WatchTowerofBabel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (the first chapter of hebrews seems quite explicit on the issue).

  but since scriptural texts don't seem quite enough for my jdub kinfolks (wtf?

  ), i tried to find out where this poppycock idea first popped up.. .

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  Ellen White came up with the idear that Jesus was Michael the angel at the time she wa an Arian. Ellen White changed her thinking about the turn of the 20th century and accepted the doctrine of the Trinity. Today Adventists beleive the doctrine of the trinity but still retain the doctrine that Jesus is Michael. Barry
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  Watchtower teachings on the length of human existence.

  by free @ last in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anyone know the current wt teachings on the length of time humans have been in existence?

  do they still teach that the first man and woman were created approximately 6,000 years ago?

  have they made any comments on archeological findings that show paleo-indians living in the america's 10,000+ years ago?

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  barry

  In the 17 century Uusher calculated the earth was 6000 years old also in the same century Lightfoot caculated Adam was created at 9am on friday morning.

  The cronology when using the septuagent translation of the bible made the earth 1500 years older and was rejected. Barry
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  Aussie Delicacy Vegemite Loses Some of Its Savory Appeal

  by Scott77 in

  1. social
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  the a-hedupdated may 10, 2012, 12:29 p.m. etaussie delicacy vegemite loses some of its savory appealyeasty spread is acquired taste, but kids today are a hard sell; edgers and streakersby rachel pannettvegemite is australia's best known snack, but maker kraft foods has been struggling to get a new generation of aussies to eat it.

  now, some chefs are seeing the strongly flavored spread as a unique gastronomic opportunity.

  wsj's rachel pannett reports.. sydneyvegemite, australia's best-known condiment, is leaving a bad taste in little mouths.. beloved for generations down under, it has been derided elsewhere: formula one race-car driver mark webber travels with it in his kit and actor russell crowe eats it with tomato.

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  barry

  As a former Adventists I was just about to post that Marmite is made up at Coorongbong New South Wales at the Seventh Day Adventist Factory there. They also have a College their where students can work to supplement their income while they go through college. The profits go to the church
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  Aussie Delicacy Vegemite Loses Some of Its Savory Appeal

  by Scott77 in

  1. social
  2. current

  the a-hedupdated may 10, 2012, 12:29 p.m. etaussie delicacy vegemite loses some of its savory appealyeasty spread is acquired taste, but kids today are a hard sell; edgers and streakersby rachel pannettvegemite is australia's best known snack, but maker kraft foods has been struggling to get a new generation of aussies to eat it.

  now, some chefs are seeing the strongly flavored spread as a unique gastronomic opportunity.

  wsj's rachel pannett reports.. sydneyvegemite, australia's best-known condiment, is leaving a bad taste in little mouths.. beloved for generations down under, it has been derided elsewhere: formula one race-car driver mark webber travels with it in his kit and actor russell crowe eats it with tomato.

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  Why is the Watchtower petrified by Higher Criticism?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what is it about higher criticism that petrifies the watchtower?

  what are they trying to hide?.

  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/higher%20criticism.

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  barry

  Gday doug,

  I have seen your posts on here for some time now. Your name rings a bell and I dont know if i am right but are you an Adventist or former Adventist with Good News Unlimited? I am also a former Adventist. Barry