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  Seventh Day Adventists

  by poppers in

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  is there anyone here who can give me the short course of wacky beliefs sda's have?

  i'm too lazy to find them for myself.

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  barry

  Gday Poppers, Im a third generation SDA I argue with there doctrine especially the investigative doctrine every opportunity and they still havent asked me to leave so Im stayin
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  did russell coin the phrase "in the truth"

  by headmath in

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  2. beliefs

  as in the context such as :.

  is he/she in the truth?.

  i just hate that miserable hyrocritical phrase.

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  barry

  The SDAs use the term' the truth ' also in the SDAs a theologan Bob Brinsmead started a movement called the Awakening movement and published a magazine called "Present Truth". Churches all over the world were seriously divided by his movement but he often reversed his theology when proven wrong.
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  Seventh Day Adventists

  by poppers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is there anyone here who can give me the short course of wacky beliefs sda's have?

  i'm too lazy to find them for myself.

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  barry

  Im a Seventh Day Adventist and the most wacky doctrine we have is called the investigative judgement. The doctrine states since 1844 there has been a work of judgement that will end when christ comes. The outline for the doctrine is taken from the old testament when the high priest went into the into the most holy place once a year on theday of atonement. The doctrine promotes perfectionism and a large number of SDAs but not a majority are perfectionists and have a roman catholic theology. For a church that claims itself to be protestant and have a roman catholic theology has been an eye opener. The bottom line beling the gospel is compromised.

  Many in the church dont agree with this doctrine including myself and this leaves the church seriously fractured.
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  The early church, confession, and the JWs

  by greendawn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the early christian church they had the institution of confession which they probably took over from the jews, eg people went to john the baptist to confess their sins and he would baptise them in confirmation of their repentence.

  and in the book of didachi which was written very early, around 70ad and gives us a good picture of how the church worked then: .

  "confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience.

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  The confessional presently practiced in the catholic church comes from the monastries of the 6th century although in the early church sins were confessed to a priest or bishop for very grevous sins.
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  SO, What happened to : "the generation will not pass away" idea ???????

  by The_Replacement in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, growing up a jw in the 70's 80's and early 90's, all we heard about was how the generation of 1914 will not pass away,(much like witnesses in the 60's and early 70's all heard about 1975) (what a great parallel) conventions, watchtower articles, public talks, endless studies and of course every issue of the awake magazine had it on the inside cover, it was everywhere, brothers, sisters and elders were absolutely sure about this, the society constantly mentioned it in our kingdom ministry (service), it was everywhere.

  then with the change in november 1995, it just kinda disappeared and became unimportant.. does the society even mention "this generation will not pass away" anymore ?????.

  seems to me, that the past 10 years, it has hardly been mentioned anywhere anymore.. what do you think ??

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  barry

  I remember reading about the generation after1844 will not pass away I cant give a refference for it but goes to show the witnesses pinched it from the SDAs. these days the generation thing in the SDAs would be just a sick joke.
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  Update! Attending Sunday Meeting and Loving it!

  by drew sagan in

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  yep that's right folks, yours truely has actually been attending the sunday meeting.

  many will ask, why in the hell would you ever do that?

  well, developments going on in my world have led me to this decision.

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  barry

  Good answer Drew youre a champion . And keep up the good work. The only problem is they choose who will comment and with the use of the mike can screen out anyone they consider is apostate. Most bible studies I go to are in a smaller group with no mike and it is accepted that you can speak up and comment at any time which gives even more freedom.
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  Arminianism

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?.

  one key similarity i've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by god for salvation.

  seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine.

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  barry

  Pelagan was a scottish monk who beleived christs example was all that was necessary and the faithfulll should and could follow his example. Pelagans opposers beleived his mind was befuddled by too much porridge.Peleganism is a heracy of christianity
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  UK Big Brother series housemate a JW?

  by Sirona in

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  did anyone see tonights big brother?

  ashlene said some stuff about the bible which was distinctly jw..... she said.... "don't you think that the stuff the bible predicted is happening in our day?

  " then she said "the bible condemns many things, like sex before marriage, smoking and other stuff".

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  From what you have written she could be a Mormon or SDA or some type of fundamentalist
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  Do you know of any "apostate" ex-jws that became "BAC's" that quit bac's?

  by booker-t in

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  i remember when i left jw's and started going to born-again christians(bac's) churches my "atheist" father laughed at me and told me that i would eventually leave bac's because like j.f.

  rutherford said "religion is a snare and racket".

  he said bac's and jws are just on an endless treadmill motivated by "fear" and not love for god into going to church/kh.

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  barry

  I beleive the last days began in AD31 along with many christians and the end could have come at any time since then.

  The beleif we can change days into years and pick and choose when the end will be is called the historisist approach. The problem with this approach is the various texts are interpreted as to be only relevant to the present day and the original fullfilment is completely ignored.

  The born again movement has hijacked the beleif of all christians that they are born again and some born agains beleive they are the only ones born again because they speak in tongues . thus they beleive they are saved by works.
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  Vegetarianism

  by rezamichael in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why aren't witnesses vegetarians?

  it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.

  there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

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  barry

  SDAs promote vegetarianism and studies have found they have longer and more healtfull lives into old age. Recently I read an artical about how 'health reform' [thats what SDAs call it]was working too well and sending thechurch broke because many ministers were living well into there nineties and the church was haveing too pay their retirement fund an expence not factored in.

  That being said more than 50% are not vegetarian and as a result suffer all the ailements of the general community.