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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

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  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  G'day Steve,

  You are right about the historic Adventists and their reliance on the teachings of Ellen White but I would like to propose tha there are in fact four main groups within the church not including the sub- groups.

  The Historic Adventists beleive much of what the church taught from its beginning in the 1860s to the the 1950s. This group teaches that Christ had a sinful human nature and a very perfectionistic interpretation of the investigative judgement from 1844. In this group santification in the life of the beleiver is heavily stressed. Some Sub-groups beleive in the Arian herecy and many of these groups and sub -groups can be found in independent ministries and the internet.

  The book "Questions on doctrine" was published in 1957. The book was printed as an answer to questions raised by the evangelicals Barnhouse and Martin and their studies of Adventism v the theologians of the Adventist Church and their understanding at that time. Many of the so called pillars of Adventism were watered down or changed 180% as seen by the Historic Adventists. The doctrine of the Trinity was more formally established and the doctrine of the sinful nature of christ was dropped. Other sectarian doctrines such as calling the other churches Babylon and the doctrine of the Remnant Church was also changed. There was also more openess to the protestant Gospel of "Righteousness by Faith".

  These events became the catalyst in forming two groups within the church with those to some degree holding to remnants of reformed and developed Historic Adventists and those rejecting altogether and becoming evengelical christians. The evangelicals are supported by " Good News Unlimited", Spectrum Magazine and "Atoday'.

  The fourth group are "the liberals"although they are a small group are separate from the others because of their teachings. They may hold to evolution and not beleive in the virgin birth. Some of the clergy belong to this group but run into problems in their ministries.

  So there is quite a spectrum of beleifs within the church my grandmother wouldn' t attend the church for ten years because she beleived it was all to confusing for her. She told me in the old days the church would confront apostacy from the pulpit but now she said to me "You don't know what the person sitting next to you beleives.

  Barry
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  Easter Egg`s

  by is there help out there in

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  did any one place easter egg`s around kh..

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  after easter they are 90% off the original price so it wouldn't cost much
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  "The Adventists" - Program on Public TV right now....

  by ziddina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to this program, which i am watching right now, the 7th-day adventists number only around a million in the u.s.a., yet they have built multiple hospitals, clinics, and health programs with a holistic leaning.... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/seventh-day_adventist_church.

  health and diet.

  since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the adventist church.

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  barry

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPbkm_Q8RaA This video is a different perspective Adventists have of Apostates than the Watchtower.

  Barry
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  Emblem stupidity, and the bizarre dance of the confused memorial-taker

  by cedars in

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  well, i went along to the memorial with mrs cedars.

  it was my first since my "awakening" just less than a year ago.

  apparently i made a lot of people happy by being there (even if it was only building up false hopes), the most important of which were my family.

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  Gday Poppers, The use of the word Emblem is not only used by the JW religion. The Seventh day Adventists also use that term. They also use the term Communion and the Eucharist. They aren't very fussy about the term. It is held every three months and footwashing proceeds communion.

  Barry
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  Catholics! Why did u choose your religion?

  by umadevi in

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  i went to a local catholic church on good friday with a catholic friend.

  i observed that there was a lot of rituals involved.

  i am interested to know why you choose this religion.

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  gay nice dream,

  My wife and I and our two kids have been going to an evangelical Anglican church.

  I am a SDA and my wife is a roman catholic .

  We will probably join that church it's just down the street from where we live. The two priests are great guys and keen bible students. At church they just where casual clothes not even a tie. Ritualistic the church would be no different than the kingdom hall.

  If you want to take communion just ask someone in charge as the rules vary in different Anglican churches. They do take up a collection during the last song and its up to you if you want to donate.

  Anglican churches can be very different from Anglo Catholic to Evangelical

  Barry
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  Corned Beef

  by mrsjones5 in

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  last year i purchased a corned beef package from trader joes.

  i love corned beef but my husband didn't so i rarely cooked it for the family.

  but trader joes was passing out samples last year, i couldn't resist and hubby decided he liked it but i'm only to buy the corned beef from trader joes.

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  What you don't have white sauce. It comes in a packet like everything else these days. on th eback it says" A blend of Mccormick's finest herbs with a creamy white sauce, Parsley White Sauce is perfect with chicken and fish, or drizzled over your favourite steamed vegetables

  Barry
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  Is there any religion that has so much anti-apostate focus as JWs

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
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  i'm surprised at how much is in the watchtower lately and at assemblies warning of apostates.

  is it my imagination or is this ramping up a lot lately.

  i am a born-in and stopped attending only a few years ago (now in my 40's) but don't remember so much anti-apostate warning as we see now.. the watchtower seems extra obsessed with apostates and the need to warn about them lately.

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  I must explain. Imagine that guy dressed that way if he were to walk into a kingdom hall dressed like that and get up to give the public talk. Some SDAs would react the same way. Barry
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  Is there any religion that has so much anti-apostate focus as JWs

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm surprised at how much is in the watchtower lately and at assemblies warning of apostates.

  is it my imagination or is this ramping up a lot lately.

  i am a born-in and stopped attending only a few years ago (now in my 40's) but don't remember so much anti-apostate warning as we see now.. the watchtower seems extra obsessed with apostates and the need to warn about them lately.

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  barry

  Gday Steve,

  In the SDAs apostates can be easily identified. See the pagan maltese crosses and flowing robes and he is preaching in an SDA church. At least this would be the opinion of some SDAs also see the comment underneath.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGbrV1cbJ-g&feature=related
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  Corned Beef

  by mrsjones5 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last year i purchased a corned beef package from trader joes.

  i love corned beef but my husband didn't so i rarely cooked it for the family.

  but trader joes was passing out samples last year, i couldn't resist and hubby decided he liked it but i'm only to buy the corned beef from trader joes.

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  barry

  We are haveing corned beef tonight for tea and we allways have white sauce with it. How much do you pay per kilo for corned beef in other parts of the world?

  In Australia we pay about $6.00 a kilo or about $2.50 per pound.
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  Is there any religion that has so much anti-apostate focus as JWs

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm surprised at how much is in the watchtower lately and at assemblies warning of apostates.

  is it my imagination or is this ramping up a lot lately.

  i am a born-in and stopped attending only a few years ago (now in my 40's) but don't remember so much anti-apostate warning as we see now.. the watchtower seems extra obsessed with apostates and the need to warn about them lately.

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  barry

  Someone mentioned the 7th day Adventists.

  Growing up as an Adventist I can remember the church haveing problems with apostates. There was what was callled the 'awakening message' lead by Robert Brinsmead who had been disfellowshiped but his followers still went to church splitting many churches in half. I can remember the ordinary church folk would sit on one side of the church the brinsmeads as we called them would sit on the other. Brinsmead and his followers were perfectionists and accused the church of herecy.

  Today there are still apostate groups one I have just been reading about is in England Australia and the states. They don't beleive in the holy Trinity and are accusing the church of being apostate because originally the SDAs were Arian just like the JWs. They refer to the doctrine of the trinity as the Omega herecy. These people are causing the church great concern as they gather disciples around them but the church is reluctent to act against them because of money.

  Barry