Posts by bob1999

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Study Conductor Challenge (plus hello!)

by educatingMyself in

alreet everyone!.

i've been watching and learning for a while, nice one on helping me see the real truth!.

long story short -> got interested in christianity, jws first to ask me about it, studied for a few months, realised they were wrong, tried to be a good undercover apostate, got bored, left, joined a local protestant church.. anyway thats not the reason i'm posting.

bob1999

The book The Time Is At Hand, 1916 edition, page ii, (forward), said:

The Bible chronology therin presented show that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873.

The book The Day of Vengeance (The Battle of Armageddon), 1897, page 621 said:

Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874.

The 1921 book The Harp of God said on page 236:

"The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D., as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874, as above stated. The latter period is within the first named, of course, and in the latter part of the period known as "the time of the end.

In a similar fashion the March 1, 1922 Watch Tower said:

The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.

The book Creation, 1927, pages 294, 295, 298 said:

Twelve hundred and sixty years from 539 A.D. brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of "the time of the end." From shortly after 1799, the date of the beginning of "the time of the end," we should expect to find an increase of knowledge, particularly with reference to the Bible.
There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate; namely, the beginning of "the time of the end" and the beginning of the presence of the Lord. "The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D. to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874 and is during the latter part of the period known as "the time of the end."
The book Prophecy, 1929, pages 65-66, said:
.... the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D. This proof is specifically set out in the booklet entitled Our Lord's Return.
Peace

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Jesus: A Know-It-All? (How Jesus Is Not God by the Standards of Christian Apologetics)

by whereami in

a quick look at an example of how christian apologetics ignores and even undermines the scriptures upon which christianity is purported to be based.

the new testament plainly and unqualifiedly says--in the voice of jesus, no less--that god the father has unique knowledge vis-a-vis precisely when jesus will return, that this knowledge is available to no one else.

"the father alone" knows; no one else knows (mt 24:36, cf mk 13:32).

bob1999

The Word came to earth and lowered himself to "a little below the angels". Hebrews 2:7

After his resurrection his was exalted.

Philippians 2:9-11 – Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.

Jw's make this mistake over and over again.

A related mistake that JW's make... the disciples got things wrong until the Holy Spirit came.

The WTS points to mistakes that the disciples made to show that it's alright for them (the GB) to make mistakes.

But all of those mistakes were before the Spirit came to them.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Peace

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Study WT July 15th 2011

by Chariklo in

is there a source for a .pdf of this?

i downloaded the august issue from jw.org, and i have the previous issues.

i just don't want to show that much interest locally by asking for the july one.. (edit) just for reference, not because i want to study it, but so i know what people are talking about when they refer to statements in recent editions.. though of course i might be better off without any of it, just walking away....back to the sane world.....

bob1999

WILL YOU HEED JEHOVAH’S CLEAR WARNINGS?

"8 No matter what false teachers may say,
we will not follow them! Why go to such
dried-up wells only to be deceived and disappointed?
Instead, let us be determined to
remain loyal to Jehovah and to the organization
that has a long record of quenching our
thirst with the pure and refreshing waters of truth from God’s inspired Word.—\"

I almost fell off my chair.

They do have a long record, a long record of ever changing teachings.

False teachings.

Peace

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Countdown to 2014

by Alfred in

to the governing body of jehovah's witnesses..... the 100th anniversary of jesus' taking the throne is 40 months away.

this means you have less than 40 months to dazzle us with your verbal gymnastics and explain why armaggeddon hasn't started yet.

we realize that freddy is no longer with us, so before releasing any "new light tm" regarding 1914, please endeavor to be a lot more creative and make an effort not to insult our intelligence... (we now have more ways to call you out on your bs, so you'll need to really put your heads together on this).

bob1999

Sorry to steal your thread but the WTS taught that 1874 was the date of Christ's presence until 1930.

The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874...

(The Harp of God 1921 p. 231)

The Scriptures show that the second presence (of the Lord) was due in 1874... This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874...

(WT March 1, 1923 p. 67)

Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt that in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus Christ is present and has been since 1874.

(WT January 1, 1924 p. 5)

The second coming of the Lord therefore began in 1874...

(Creation 1927 pp. 289, 291, 297, 298, 318)

The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.

(Prophecy 1929 p. 65)

So they are coming up on 140 years.....

BTW the whole organization is a insult to intelligence from the start.

Peace

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Do you know of any other religious organization that ex members try to put an end to it?

by jam in

jw
friends

i have heard ex members of the mormon faith speak about.

the injustice once they leave, but it,s not about the doctrine.

but the shunning.

bob1999

I think there are many examples of ex-cult members actively fighting against those cults.

http://www.cultwatch.com/

Peace

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Do the Harold Campings of the world make witnesses question their own beliefs?

by dgp in

now that harold camping has been proven wrong again, er, the rapture is taking place at another date because he is an imperfect man, one question that comes to my mind is whether this kind of fiascos ever make active jehovah's witness connect the dots and realize they have been deceived as well.. also, i wonder if active witnesses ever get to think that if unbelievers were right about not believing camping, maybe they are also right about something else?

perhaps relying on reason is not that misguided after all?.

i would love to see your opinions on this.. .

bob1999

I joked with one JW friend about Harold Camping and then said "It kind of reminds me of 1914", she said "don't start".

I'm not even sure she knows that 1914 was originally to be the END not the "invisible presence" that it is (wrongly) thought of today.

http://www.xjw.com/1914lies.html

Peace

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WITNESSES- WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU ARE THE TRUE RELIGION?

by mrquik in

bob1999

"The Other Sheep are not the remaing ones, not of the 144,00, but are Gentiles who were to become a part of The Church of God. That is my biggest problem with the WTBTS. That is just an out right fabrication of scripture.

And what is most interesting about what Jesus said;

He call them Sheep. This was probably years before the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles.

He did not call them goats that he would turn into sheep. he called them sheep.

Romans 8:29-30

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

I believe that the bible teaches that there is only one salvation. Salvation for those chosen by God.

Romans 9:13-18

13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” [ e ]

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [ f ]

16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” [ g ] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Peace

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WITNESSES- WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU ARE THE TRUE RELIGION?

by mrquik in

bob1999

Edit

When I said "The fact is, in 1919 the WTS was still teaching that Christ's presents started in 1874 and any choosing would have happened in 1877-78."

I meant any choosing (in the WTS way of thinking) would have happened in 1877-78.

I don't believe in any of this dispensationalism.

I'm an amillennialist and believe we are in the so called "millennial" as of 70AD.

But I don't let that stand in the way of my salvation.

Ones belief conserning the end times has nothing, whatsoever, to do with one's salvation unless it gets in the way of ones belief in the gospel.

The WTS and JW's do let their beliefs concerning the end times get in the way.

That's sad.

Peace

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The Book of Revelation and the Endtimes

by whereami in

is the book of revelation a prediction of things yet to come or is it a critique of issues in the author's own time?.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpfuhfbb3ja&sns=em.

bob1999

This guys a wack job.

Peace

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WITNESSES- WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU ARE THE TRUE RELIGION?

by mrquik in

bob1999

"ONE SIGNAL IS UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WILL FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH, AS A UNITY"

But the WTS did not believe this when they were supposedly chosen by Christ in 1919.

The whole question comes down to whether or not one believes that Christ chose the Bible Students as the FDS in 1919.

To that there is no proof.

The fact is, in 1919 the WTS was still teaching that Christ's presents started in 1874 and any choosing would have happened in 1877-78.

One does not need to turn to the bible to prove that the WTS teachings are wrong.

Just looking at the teachings themselves and all the flip-flops is enough to prove that the WTS does not have the truth.

The "truth" that the WTS taught yesterday is no longer taught.

The "truth" that the WTS teaches today will not be taught tomarrow.

Peace