Posts by Jez

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DOES THE BIBLE CONTAIN ANY VALUABLE OR USEFUL FACTS AT ALL???

by Terry in

fact: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened

i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.

but, i don't really see in it any information that contains factual material that benefits anybody.

Jez

I believe the bible reflects humanity, not that it offered some mind blowing advice on how to live. The writers time capsuled via words, the best and the worst of humanity. They observed, they reported, they did not receive some divine intervention to write those words.

It is a fairy tale to me, sprinkled with true glimpses of an ancient people, culture, etc. Inevidably, it has been expounded on far too much, to be a historial book. The very nature of oral history allows for a weaving in of 'extra' information. To think that the bible should be our guide for living, is too simple to me now.

Every culture deals with the questions of life in its own way. Death is explained in so many ways, the bible writers soothed peoples fears by telling them that they would go to heaven, or live with lambs on the earth picking apples forever, whatever you want to believe.

But, if you believe the bible, and that is what grounds you in life, fine!

Jez

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I Think I'm Getting Through To My Daughter!

by adelmaal in

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my daughter is at her dad's house 50% of the time and he along with his family have been indoctrinating her since birth.

up until recently she has always said she is a jehovah's witness.

i have been reasoning with her in the past 6 months to a year (i used to take the path of least agression but final decided i need to combat some of their teachings if she is to think for herself).

Jez

Dan, I read your other post about your nephew, so sorry about that. It is a sad thing when someone teaches a child that there is one way and one way only to God.

I will ask my kid if she wants to chat with yours Ada,

Jez

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I Think I'm Getting Through To My Daughter!

by adelmaal in

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my daughter is at her dad's house 50% of the time and he along with his family have been indoctrinating her since birth.

up until recently she has always said she is a jehovah's witness.

i have been reasoning with her in the past 6 months to a year (i used to take the path of least agression but final decided i need to combat some of their teachings if she is to think for herself).

Jez

Thank you ada..I hate to say it, but I so want her to grow up. Her age is one of 'wanting to please' mommy or daddy still. I can't believe I am saying this, but I can't wait for her need for independance to kick in. She came home crying this past weekend from his house bec she he is tooo happy when she goes to the meetings with him and she hates to disappoint him so does not know how to tell him that she hates it. She can't stand the thought that he thinks she is going to die and that he feels pity for her having to grow up in a 'worldly' home.

Very difficult time right now with religion. SO, I am going to church with her this weekend. (she usually goes with her friends, I go once in a while to support her)

Jez

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Startling Revelation Today...

by MerryMagdalene in

words cannot describe what i am feeling right now, but what else have i got?.

so let's start with euphoric.. today i ran into an old jw friend.

we were teens in the troof together, neighboring congregations.

Jez

Wow, kinda makes me wonder when I hear things like this if it wasn't coincidence that you 'crossed paths'. Fantastic and thanks for sharing.

Jez

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I Think I'm Getting Through To My Daughter!

by adelmaal in

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my daughter is at her dad's house 50% of the time and he along with his family have been indoctrinating her since birth.

up until recently she has always said she is a jehovah's witness.

i have been reasoning with her in the past 6 months to a year (i used to take the path of least agression but final decided i need to combat some of their teachings if she is to think for herself).

Jez

I too have a 10 year old. The best thing that we did for her was to get her involved in a local church. It is all done with the premise that she is to keep doors open at this age, explore, enjoy and learn to love herself and her community. Her church is great about including other churches in the community and they all support each other. She is learning that the things that JWs say about churches, are not true and in fact speaks up often. If one of her dub family says something about a church, her standard line is now, "Have you ever been to church? Then how do you know?"

She goes to a summer bible camp that is FANTASTIC and she has met many many people through that camp that truly love children and teach them the fundementals of LIFE. That love must be shown first, the fruits of the spirit, etc. No harsh doctrinal in-training spiritual soldiers like JWs.

She does not need me to say much, just to direct her, because the differences between 'the real world' and how JW's portray it, speaks volumes because she is experiencing it for herself.

I won't let her be sheltered, I get her OUT there, INTO the world as much as possible, in POSITIVE things, let her see that JW's have it wrong through real life experience. I tell her about the Salvation Army, she volunteers sorting clothes out there, I make sure I point out positive things about this world so that when she does hear the doom and gloom message on Dad's end of things, she will know that it is their perception and not everything that comes out of their mouth is "the truth".

Plug her into real life when she is with you. Take her out of the bubble and show her the good side to being "worldly". Soon she will not be able to reconcile the teachings of JWs and her experiences out in the 'big bad world' and she will be truly free.

IMHO. Best to you, Jez

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Did You Ever Think You'd No Longer Be A Witness?

by minimus in

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did you ever dream that you'd be posting here too?

Jez

Nope, only fantasied about it.

Jez

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My story

by Chia in

i have posted this story before on some other boards, but after "lurking" for a long time here, i have finally decided to come out and tell my story.

it is really long, so i'm going to tell it in a few parts.

that way i can also tell if i'm boring everyone to death, haha!

Jez

WELCOME!!!!

Just read your story and I want to say that I am so pleased to hear that, despite obvious strong indoctrination, you managed to still see your way clear through their huge pile of shit.

I just hate how they take normal sexual desires/acts and turn them into something 'dirty and wrong'. I remember that guilt so much and would rather have died than tell anyone that I was having....s..e..x....to the point that even after 6 years of marriage to the one man that I had 'premature sex' with (what a horrible word), I insisted on going to the elders to confess. I had been living with the guilt for all those years. Telling them finally felt like telling God himself. Crazy crazy crazy....

Jez

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Six Billion Hearts Will Soon Stop Beating. . .

by ACEofCAD in

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announced our circuit overseer last night in his talk about the urgency to preach because of the times.

followed by a silence that was broken with ohhhs and ahhhs.

he said that a couple of times throughout his part, simulating a beating heart with his fist.

Jez

When I was a dub, even comments like this would have made me think of my non-JW family and I would have been mortified. There must be ones there that feel the same. What about ppl that are studying? or on the verge of leaving or questioning. Comments like can keep on coming as far as I am concerned....it shows their true colors to people that are awake to notice it. Can you imagine Jesus using tactics like that to win ppl over or motivate them? His first and foremost tactic was that of love. Everything he did and said when he was preaching to people or talking to his disciples was coated with love. Even when talking to his enemies, I can't see him ever using such a harsh example. The borg has really lost the plot on this one.

Jez

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The Year's Text: What's the point?

by Nosferatu in

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okay, i can see why they have the daily text.

it fulfills the need for a horroscope (sorta), although nobody is anxious to read the damn thing to see what the day is going to bring them.. but what about the year's text... what's the point of it?

it doesn't give an outlook for the year.

Jez

Yup, every business has a motto.

Jez

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Role-Playing & XJW Discussion Boards.

by hillary_step in

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i have been on this board for around four years.

at first i took what went on here quite seriously, well for about three weeks, but it then became quite obvious to me that the depth of role-playing that went on on these boards was so deep-rooted that it would be a foolish waste of time to do anything more than to read some of the more informative threads and delegate the rest to entertainment.

i hope narkissos forgives me for quoting something that he wrote yesterday, but his thought clearly encapuslates the reason why it is foolish to presume that you know, or will ever know the person who is posting by what they write, and why judgments on a persons character are more than often fatally flawed.

Jez

Sometimes I am more myself online than off because I there are very few inhibiters needed when no one knows who you are, what roles you have to play at work, home, relationships etc. There is no need to collar yourself and the urge to just say what is on your mind is often unbridled by societal expectations. You can reveal MORE of yourself here because it is a 'safe' area. For me anyways.

Those who are my friends, both here and in real life, would be able to recognize 'me' in my posts. In real life, I just am more picky with who I 'let in' and who I don't. Here, the minute I post, I invite, and I can't decide who to invite and who not to.

It takes years to really get to know someone and some would argue that we never do...because we are all in a constant state of change.

But role play? No, I FEEL alot of these people through their posts because they are infused with emotion and passion, I respect people when they have the courage to do that. I respect that I will have some missing pieces in someone's personality that only face to face contact could give, but on the other hand I feel privledged reading posts in here because sometimes I imagine that we have met, exchanged pleasantries, but I get to read their inner most thoughts. The things that you would not normally hear ppl say in a face to face situation. Things that are reserved for very close friends are often thrown out here to strangers. That amazes me.

Jez