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  They acted without 2 witnesses

  by Sirona in

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  2. child-abuse

  i've only just been told of a case of suspected child abuse at the local hall.. the child (aged 4) was alone with the abuser.

  she told her mother, who told the elders.

  the elders and mother immediately informed the police, despite the fact that there was only one witness - the child.. then the elders proceeded to inform families in the congregation so that they can be on their guard.

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  What if the poor bugger is innocent ?
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  Quote that sums up the whole WT lunacy...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  all human problems such as starvation, disease, and injustice will be solved at armageddon because god is going to kill everyone living that isn't a witness.

  currently, that's 99.9% of the human race.. i'm gonna use this next time i meet a jw who starts to witness to me or calls on me at my new address.... jw: do you believe that all of societies problems like starvation or disease will be solved one day?.

  ak: yes, according to your religion those problems will be solved because the people who have the problems will be destroyed at armageddon cos they didn't convert to your religion.. wonder if i can get them to say that jw's aren't the only ones to be saved at armageddon.. from ak

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  Sorry crawdad2 i dont understand your question??
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  " Logic problem "

  by BATHORY in

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  2. friends

  in a previous thread dmouse mocks me for giving a serious reponse to what i see as a serious question about infinity from pubsinger.. it said that " it has nothing to do with reality, its just a logic problem " or some crap to that tune.. ok dmouse to appease yourself to the board, and buy back face, i ask you the following.

  please answer according to the " obvious law " you imposed on me.

  a question was asked on the scientific american magazine web site(sciam.com) which was close to this, .

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  G'Day all

  In a previous thread dmouse mocks me for giving a serious reponse to what i see as a serious question about infinity from pubsinger.

  It said that " it has nothing to do with reality, its just a logic problem " or some crap to that tune.

  Ok dmouse to appease yourself to the board, and buy back face, i ask you the following. Please answer according to the " obvious law " you imposed on me.

  A question was asked on the Scientific American magazine web site(sciam.com) which was close to this,

  "Is there a minimum value of time?".

  Well dmouse, can you speculate ?? Its easy easy japaneesy !!
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  Quote that sums up the whole WT lunacy...

  by TheApostleAK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all human problems such as starvation, disease, and injustice will be solved at armageddon because god is going to kill everyone living that isn't a witness.

  currently, that's 99.9% of the human race.. i'm gonna use this next time i meet a jw who starts to witness to me or calls on me at my new address.... jw: do you believe that all of societies problems like starvation or disease will be solved one day?.

  ak: yes, according to your religion those problems will be solved because the people who have the problems will be destroyed at armageddon cos they didn't convert to your religion.. wonder if i can get them to say that jw's aren't the only ones to be saved at armageddon.. from ak

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  G'Day Mr Beli

  Sam i highly respect every post you have written.

  I see it as being my fault ( i was @ work in a hurry when i wrote it )
  that you and others perceive my false analogy.

  In an attempt to elucidate the parable, the manager / owner is god, we ( all people ) are his employees.

  I never meant to bring the wt into it.

  Forget the wt and its irrelevant laws, throw them in the corner for now, everyone here is so hung up on them and their bloody faults and so and so's, ah this guy was a poof, and that guy changed his mind regarding this, smoke screen, red herring, wives club chit a chat diversions, GET OVER IT PEOPLE, god and his purposes and love is completely hidden from you because of the pain you feel toward wt.

  They are continuing to destroy your relationship with your creator and your allowing it to happen.

  I wanted to express the following in a nut shell.

  " Its gods ball, you can play with it all day long, but he gets the shits if you dont let the other kids play as well "

  Dont blame the wt for your inability to distinguish between gods so called organisation, and god.

  And thats where their weeping and the knashing of their teeth will be because of lost rewards.

  " It is obviously impossible to run a device, which expends energy, without replacing that spent energy." ..god
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  Any good at math?

  by Pubsinger in

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  what is infinity doubled?.

  what is infinity halved?.

  somebody humour me please!

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  G'Day all.

  Sorry JanH you are only partly correct.

  Anyone know why ??

  Also..." The irresistible force/immovable object thing is impossible. If a force is irresistible, then the immovable object cannot exist in the same universe, and vice versa. The existence of one precludes the existence of another. "

  How is that necessarily assumed by tou ? where is that logic ? Do you know anything about physics and quantum mechanic theory ??

  What so the irresistable object coudnt bounce of the immovable one and stay in motion ?

  Perpetual motion in a closed frame of reference is impossible, therefore there cannot truely be physical model defined as a irresistable object.
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  One scripture that proves the WT is false

  by moman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you believe that paul was inspired then you can't believe the watchtower follows jehovah's way.. the apostle paul wrote.

  "...we are walking by faith, not by sight" .

  2co5:7. if paul is correct, why would true christians need "gods visual organization on earth", the answer can only be, drum roll please..... because the watchtower has no faith!

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  G'Day moman

  Is this your form of wit and humour ??

  If not, hmmm that would be a worry.
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  Quote that sums up the whole WT lunacy...

  by TheApostleAK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  all human problems such as starvation, disease, and injustice will be solved at armageddon because god is going to kill everyone living that isn't a witness.

  currently, that's 99.9% of the human race.. i'm gonna use this next time i meet a jw who starts to witness to me or calls on me at my new address.... jw: do you believe that all of societies problems like starvation or disease will be solved one day?.

  ak: yes, according to your religion those problems will be solved because the people who have the problems will be destroyed at armageddon cos they didn't convert to your religion.. wonder if i can get them to say that jw's aren't the only ones to be saved at armageddon.. from ak

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  BATHORY

  G'Day Alan

  It often happens that just after leaving the org both mentaly and officially ( as you have, its only been months yeh ) that you start to be overly critical about the details.

  Your post my friend is full of fallacious statements, i would guess, overcompensated and manifested by your percieved inadequacies WHILST you were a believer.

  Let me ask you a question that illustrates.

  If you believe in the account of Noah and the flood as the JW's interpret it.

  Apparently the earth was in such a terrible state that Jehovah thought it necessary to " flush out "( pun intended ) the evil doers.

  He gave the residents a chance to change their ways, and live decently so as not to be destroyed. Those that accepted would be saved, those that didnt, well he had no choice but to eliminate the sources of badness because it was affecting his creation so much that they had to be stopped... following mate.

  Now assuming that there is a god that created the earth, does he not have the right to do with it as he pleases according to the natural and written laws that he has implimented ???

  Is not Mr BOWEN for example excercising his rights to freedom of speech in his heroic and honourable crusade against the evil he sees in the seemingly hypocritical laws the wt come up with ?? What would you say if they tryed to silence him. It would be an outrage yeh ??

  Things have changed now with our redemtion that christ offers all of us.

  The wt's interpretation and attitudes in this matter certainly is way off the christian mark, definitely, but if you use the parallel of say managing a company you created and drafted of say 1000 employees, would you not be within your rights to terminate employees that abuse the system, destroy the buisness and generally have no regard for you or your cause AFTER warning them several times about their behaviour?

  Would you have a problem in doing this alan, a company you have created and you have set its regulations for the benefit of all involved ?? If you were a shareholder would you argue with the manager for doing this in the interest of all those involved ??

  Cant you see the comparison ??

  You seem to be rallying with those that dont.
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  Overheard this at last meeting...JW's: No idea!!!

  by TheApostleAK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  overheard a small group (elders, ms, pioneers etc) complaining about the church in adelaide called the paradise community church (recently featured in the advertiser and has ads on tv).

  they started discussing it and one asked "what have they got they we don't have????

  "....which was followed with a lot of head-shaking and head-scratching.. ever heard of freedom guys???.

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  LMFAO in tears @ COMF.

  Extreamly funny pic.

  Hey can you modify it with a cross ear ring in his right ear. Ill pay for the pic if i can use it.

  So your not just a metal head huh.
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  The Kingdom Ministry and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by radar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is the purpose of the kingdom ministry?.

  the 1995 october 15th watchtower stated that the parable of the sheep and the goats will be fulfilled some time after the great tribulation.. up till that time jws were led to believe they were engaged in a separating work in fulfilment of that sheep and goats parable.

  but from 1995 on, the watchtowers increasing new light shifted the emphasis from a separating to a preparatory work.. this leads to questions : what is the purpose of their kingdom ministry and in what way does it prepare people?.

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  G'Day radar

  Your well drafted post is certainly food for thought. Very good points you make.

  Of late i have been noticing that when speaking around this subject, the brothers have been stressing to us that the witnessing work is more to sharpen our beliefs than to " convert " others. Now that sounds stupid, and really it is. But what damage is it causing ?

  It is bringing to peoples attention AT LEAST the subject of a God and a lifes purpose, it may well get some thinking on the subject where they then find themselves awakaning a sleeping spiritual monster within, there their journey starts.

  In this world abundant in hate ( and good ) it atleast keeps people questioning. This forum would probably not have existed without it, and we all would never have been acquainted.

  Lousy logic but true.
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  MAY 10 BROOKLYN EAGLE NEWS/WATCHTOWER SEX ABUSE

  by ARoarer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i went to brooklyn hts.

  today to pick my son up from college at the new york institute of technology, which is right in the heart of bethel.

  he brought home a news paper with the headlines entitled:.

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  G'Day PawPaw

  You see mate, Ol' Douglass there has made a statement, NOT an observation or an opinion. He unequivocally has stated as if a fact, that WT do not pay ( zip ) property taxes on their real estate empire.

  I know this to be false, they pay several 100,000's per year. If banana breath classes that as zip, well........

  Because he has made this statement, and tendered it to the board as fact, like others here i would / should ask that he provide us with a bases to his claim.

  Was it overheard by him as part of a conversation 2 middle management bethelite's were having over a piss whilst he was instigating a toilet cubicle @ brooklyn ??

  Or did Randy or Mr Blizzard tell him, and he then assume that maybe these blokes must really know ??

  He may have info from the relevant goverment department, it is public knowledge you know.

  Maybe he is propagting a lie, unbeknown to himself ??

  See he goes on to say ...
  " Brooklynites who are informed have little or no respect for the WTS and its multi-national printing Corporation headquarted in their City. "

  Now that is a weak statement, BUT it is hearsay, he can spin that crap without proof. It does however diminish even further his perceived image as a serious and intelligent poster, certainly though only to those ones amoungst us that are " informed " by his standards.

  In any event, i know he wont mind me asking, its in his nature to be detailed. Anyhum, do i not have the right to question your primadona's ??

  You can see now PawPaw that the onus is not on me to tell you what i know.

  Am i being unreasonable peoples ??