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  Clear distinction of people on JWN

  by cptkirk in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this has been an interesting science project to say the least.

  here is what i have learned:.

  you have about 6 types of people posting on jwn, they all fit into a profile.. #1 you have people like me that ran the race, exemplified conduct while in the jw cult and learned through observation that there was a severe disconnect between truth, and the jw cult's statements.

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  I'd like to suggest we are all honourary August Landmesser's

  
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  GOP 2012 Race Is Down To Romney, Cain And Gingrich

  by Bangalore in

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  2. friends

  gop 2012 race is down to romney, cain and gingrich.. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/14/and-then-there-were-three-gop-2012-race-is-down-to-romny-cain-and-gingrich/.

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  designs - if Romney was really smart he'd promote that as his new slogan ...
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  I just got the impression that tec was against an organisation led by a man which seems to be the very essence of the christian message, god (male?) , expressed via Jesus (man?) instituting an organisation (kingdom of god) into which we all fit like body parts and have different roles. Denying the organisational aspects of the NT seems to negate all of 'Paul's' teachings and to invalidate the entire OT priesthood / temple structure. Seems like the desire to clarify the relationship as soley through Jesus with no other mediators is to negate god's supposed use of prophets, angels and rigid organisational structure to impart knowledge and sacraments and ....to throw out the baby with the bathwater and end up a lone mystic making it up as they see fit. Which is how this mess presumably started in the first place.
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  tec - are you saying you aren't led by a man?
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  Who's your favorite video game character of all time?

  by sooner7nc in

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  2. friends

  "they're waiting for you gordon...in the test chamber.".

  gordon freeman from half life.

  captain price from cod.

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  Geralt of Rivia

  http://badpie24.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/242767-geralt_super.jpg
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Here's another way I've looked at this very question.

  What did my faith get right, what did it improve morally (the scientific morality of Harris) how am I better for my previous faith? The answer , oddly enough, was that there was not one single teaching that they got right. The reason being is that every single teaching was predicated on a lie. Let me give you a few examples:

  1 - Families are forever. LDS philosphy revolves around the central idea of a family and its eternal existence. Nice idea, noble and fulfilling. What actually happened.

  - Avoided relationships outside of church, got married in a hurry and had kids way too early (before we had a good enough income to support them.) I had a crippled relationship with my real father since he wasn't sealed to me in the temple. I got sealed to my mother's second husband who is a c*ck (emotionally retarded and a life leech who slowly killed my outgoing mother over the years and turned her into a house slave downgraded to listing reasons why it was better to stay with him than leave.) My religious views pushed me away from the 80% of the family who are not LDS and made the relationship with those 'in' somewhat dependant upon a shared lie (which having now exited means that side is a bit trashed as well.) Net result - pretty poor family closeness on all sides. Contributing cause - 'families can be together forever.'

  2 - Chastity is more important than life. No sex outside marriage and no personal sexual release except when utterly asleep. No STDs , no pregnancies outside of marriage, extra commitment to wife. Reality.

  - Intimacy issues when married. Hurried marriage ( 6 weeks from proposal to marriage) to avoid giving in to temptation - sh*t wedding. Missed some chances to get sexual experience especially during uni (could have helped marriage - will never know now) but also meant I never really felt one of the guys (talking about sex made me blush and I had no stories to tell.) Infrequent masturbation led to painfully humiliating confessions with various bishops. Sex made to seem very dirty rather than something supremely natural and potentially emotionally fulfilling.

  3 - Honesty is important in all things. No lies even when it puts you at personal disadvantage. Reality.

  - Job interviews nightmare since I will not blag and therefore struggle to sell myself. Repeated self appraisals and depressed feelings about self and ability buoyed up with a desire to be honest. No idea what honesty really means (30+ years living a lie and then finally fully realising that - double whammy) Now I find honesty as a fairly poor substitute for real social skills, tact, bravura and cheek. Honesty counts in less situations than one might imagine. Its much more important to relate to someone than to impose one's definition of truth (which is the root of honesty!).

  4 - Humility. Christ died for your sins and asks only that you accept him into your life. Nice idea, keeps you level headed and appreciative of everyones worth no matter how well hidden it is. Reality.

  - Never felt good enough, never felt worthy, never felt capable without help, even prayed to get good exam results. Ended up with a thought process that relied upon asking god for help and guidance all the time and blaming myself for any failure and praising god for any success. I became responsible for bad stuff and 'blessed' when good stuff came along. That is mental hell.

  Now that I've escaped from the mind control that religion imposes the guilt is falling away, the fake love, the forced emotions, the smile hiding crushed hopes and dreams is gone. Now I feel much more capable and able to stand on my two feet and I finally realise. I am more moral than my faith. I would not kill my child in sacrifice, I would not accept anothers torture on my behalf, I do not accept eternal slavery worshipping a butcher god who kills those who disagree with him. My kindness exceeds any bible gods. Even the supposed good stuff is just paint ona rotten structure. Now I'm rebuilding my self image, my life, reaching out to all my family, accepting that I am no more amazing or despicable than the next person but that they and I are responsible for what we do with who we are. I feel happy to judge another's character and avoid those who I disagree with and to embrace those who I can relate to and know and respect others right to do the same to me.

  I am free. My marriage is great. My kids are happy. I can die with a few standard regrets and a heart unfettered by guilt and a judgement day dread.
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  WTF? Steven Untank's money accounts suddenly closed!!

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is weird?!

  i just came accross this on mr unthank's personal site: http://stevenunthank.wordpress.com/monies/i recently read something where the wts is, let's just say connected, to various institutions/companies to wield/get their way.....is this one or just coincidence?

  moniespersonal message from steven unthank.

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

  Shamus has obliged. Now remind me what the monkey brings?
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  I suspect that the most vocal posters may also represent the most polarised views but I have no stats to back that up. There is a huge swathe of lurkers who maybe don't feel strongly enough to post on any particular god/no god topic. Like NC said - once you leave one religion it makes it much easier to keep asking questions.
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  tec can you ever conceive of a point where you no longer have faith and yet are still you?
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Qcmbr

  ND - LDS born and bred.