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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
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  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  I don't think any atheist here is refusing anyone the right to believe what they want. That would be arrogant and beyond the gift of any poster here. When someone posts something fantastical on a website ( regardless of whether it's a ...edit - I too have no idea what should be here - brain fart ! ...or not ) there is a critical response from many because rarely is any justification offered for the unusual, normally supernatural or plainly provocative idea ( like this topic.) In school when you present an essay opinion unsubstantiated by reference to facts and source material it is a quick route to red pen and a low grade. Is it too much to ask that when an opinion is presented that it be slightly more than a poke in the ribs or a wild assertion?

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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  My personal atheism hinges on a lack of evidence rather than any disagreement with a divine floaty being.

  I've been here for many years now and you'd think one believer could have provided something that I could evaluate scientifically but so far it's just a ton of sophisticated hot air. It's not like I'm a difficult subject either, I'd rapidly alter my conclusions based on something of substance but apparently the most powerful, in all, through all , invisible but revealed is rejected by every physical and testable fact so far. Not simply a balance of probabilities but in every single way possible the evidence says unequivocally that the characteristics of all gods described so far are not compatible with the observed universe.

  When I believed I got in some real tangled webs trying to explain my truth to skeptics. I could never understand why god didn't give me the words and the info that these , assumed honest posters were questioning me on. At the time I felt a bit like my god let me down.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  It's because you are posting strange unsupportable assertions and thinking you are saying stuff of great import. Remember you need to explain why Ganesh is equally valid for the observed universe.

  Shoot.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Which Christ Sab? Adoptionist Christ, hypo static Trinitarian Christ, Marcionite Christ, Ebionite Christ, Mormon Christ? Which one is real Sab?

  To correct you again, you cannot be atheist and have a belief in any 'real' god be it any of the many Christs and Krishnas that have historically been worshipped by ignorant people without access to accurate knowledge of physics or history.

  Edit missing 'historically'
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Soledad - you need to explain which god you argue for. Until you define your god beyond the single word you could well be arguing for Ganesh and I'll assume you are until you specify.

  Now why would Ganesh be an equally valid conclusion to atheism in the face of physics , history and common sense (I find no anatomical evidence that supports elephant headed humanoids .)?
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Sab - I write in when I see the same posts from believers so newcomers can read it. I am not expecting people to read my post history because that would be oddly egocentric. I think it it critical for people to understand what perception filters are because that is a key piece of self knowledge that explains many supposed answers to prayers, voices in the head and evidence for a belief.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Ready for a bit of correcting Sab?

  You cannot say that atheists think that having a belief in gods is a life detriment. You do not understand atheism at all. It is entirely possible to think that belief in gods is positive and still be atheist. You of all people have no excuse.

  Atheism is the absence of belief in god. That is it. You can infer nothing else from atheism.

  I suggest you have a look at skepticism, humanism, rationalism, Marxism to name just a few systems of thought that may or may not include atheist foundations. Atheism does not engender any beliefs whatsoever. My lack of belief in Zeus does not equate to any proactive or reactive actions. My suspension of belief in Mormon god does not require that I replace it with any belief.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Soledad are children ( who are born without belief ) angry at God? As an atheist please point out which god I'm angry at. To be fair I may well be angry if there are any gods of nubile enticements who haven't bothered to make themselves known grrr.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Sab - what do atheists believe in?
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  Why dont xians take oaths like Abraham and Jacob ?

  by mP in

  1. watchtower
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  hey if its good enough for someone who speaks to god then it should be good enuff for everybody else.. .

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/genesis/24.

  28. now abraham was old, advanced in years; and jehovah had blessed abraham in everything.2hence abraham said to his servant, the oldest one of his household, who was managing all he had: put your hand, please, under my thigh,3as i must have you swear by jehovah, the god of the heavens and the god of the earth, that you will not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the ca'naan?ites in among whom i am dwelling,4but you will go to my country and to my relatives, and you will certainly take a wife for my son, for isaac.. .

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  Mormons do , including the inappropriate touching ( well they did until the recent change!)