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  What are the biggest holes in evolution?

  by shadow in

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  how honest are the proponents of evolution?

  idk but curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?

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  Evolution is not a debate about magic. It poses no challenge to a supernatural world except where the supernatural is the explanation for observed material things. Old magical stories about undying gardens , immortals, supernatural fruit and talking animals did once provide an explanation for observed life. More importantly, from a social aspect, they provided a story to satiate the curiosity of mankind. They just don't fit the evidence and once that has been collated, collected and compared it is clear that another more mechanical process is at work. Evolution challenges the mythical creation stories from the human past.

  If an individual wishes to look for holes in evolution in order to promote a bronze age myth then they are clearly foolish. If an individual wishes to expose incorrect parts of current models regarding evolutionary processes for the furtherment of human knowledge then the tools, means and methods are available via science, education and practical experimentation and discovery; they are a welcome member of the global human effort to better understand our world.

  Evolution is the elegant and simple realisation that whenever a self-replicating structure employs an imperfect copy process change is inevitable. The elegance of that simple idea is that it explains the observed bio-diversity of life - a self-replicating structure - not only in the present but also as evidenced by the historical record (the ancestral record as displayed by fossils.) The strength of the answer is in its 100% agreement with every single avenue of testing and exploration from the microscopic genetic level through to the bio-mechanical shared body plans of mammals.
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  Church of Christ Brainwashing Children Video

  by cofty in

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  all churches are cults, it's just a matter of degree.. always submit to the church administrationfor they were placed by lord god to lead his nationif we obey then we will receive salvationsing along with me.... ....

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  Mormon version of this crapulence - please feel free never to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcFks_graPQ
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  Does anyone own a Chromebook?

  by Wonderment in

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  if so, are you satisfied?

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  We have 3. Add a chromecast and it gets real fun. Keyboards suck though - keys keep needing to be reset. Kids live on them for social media and browsing plus the odd bit of homework.
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  Evolutionists Who Are Against Darwinism

  by Perry in

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  this is a nice list of evolutionary scientists and their quotes regarding the impossibility of naturalism or materialism being able to account for life as it is observed :.

  evolutionists against darwinism.

  most, while sympathetic and respectful of their more committed colleagues, are disparaged as morons for not carrying the materialism banner as a religion, as a matter of faith.

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  Perry - I see your faith is wavering. You are spending far too much time trying to persuade people that they are x or y and that how they think is a religion. As a xian surely you should be testifying of Christ. I mean you have a dead man who has come back to life who can walk on water and make magic wine. Why the hell are you bothered by science, evolution or defining everyone else's state of mind.

  You see it's because your subconscious mind knows you have nothing real to back up your fantastical worldview and so diverts you to a time filling exercise that keeps your consciousness busy and placated. Your subconscious is causing you to deflect. It's a self defense mechanism.
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  Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!

  by MagicMItchJensen in

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  richard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!

  " tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!

  " and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".

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  Institutions or people who wish to impose power over other people must have some form of leverage. This will either be legal (you must 'obey' the police or go to jail), physical (I have a knife), resource (they pay you), cultural (she cannot wear that or she will be shunned) or intellectual (he knows something you don't.) Since religion can cross all those boundaries - and regularly does - it can only be weakened by an equal or superior opposite force. Mockery and derision attack the cultural and intellectual forces of religion. If an idea can withstand and triumph over mockery and derision then it is a worthy cultural and intellectual force (it does not make it right, just worthy).

  If an idea cannot withstand derision and mockery and can only stand if aided by legal, physical or financial support then it is intrinsically unstable and weak. The true believers of a faith should relish mockery and derision. Only those deeply insecure in their belief seek to be unchallenged and hide behind squeals for respect and politeness because that allows them to continue to impose their will over you.

  Religious people attempt to control and impose their will over everyone else by dictating what can be said and what can be done from basic social interactions through to state level laws. It is very rare for a religion to stand up for freedom of thought or to celebrate difference and individuality.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  "I don't understand why almost all the threads that run the longest on this site have to do with atheism/theism debates"

  In our pointless world we all generate meaning from our worldview. Joy, anger, fear, all are channeled and focused by what we believe and our responses informed and mediated by it. For some it is family, others it is work but for most it is religion and god(s) - it(they) provide purpose when none exists, they cause society to build pyramids and to hand over scarce resources to men in dresses and give in return peace, hope and devotion. These discussions are so important because they are so fundamental to who we are, what we do and why we do those things in our brief, flickering existence.

  I understand the love of faith based magic thinking. It is an exhilarating drug with easy highs and sumptuous lows. It is glorious, however, like all ideologies (Nazism and Stalinism are two easy examples) the cost to the individual can far exceed the collective benefit. For those of us who are outside religion it is easier to see the long term cost of a faith worldview (ultimately by providing false but comforting answers it stifles our ability to look for or generate novel meaning that may better meet our needs - a bronze age, mystic cult is not suited to a technological and scientific community.)

  This debate and the millions that will follow are our collective way of un-ravelling and discarding millenia of magic based culture and replacing it with fact based humanism.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  A believer in a God lies out of both sides of their mouth when they claim that atheists are unable to disprove ANY god. The moment the believer defines the ONE god they happen to believe in it is a very basic set of steps to scientifically dismantle those claims since the definition of a God delineates what God is and what God is not and ascribes qualities to such an entity, qualities that can be checked to see if they hold up to scientific investigation.

  Any believers wanna try?
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  BBC radio Prog " The Report" this week on JW Child Abuse

  by Phizzy in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

  to be broadcast at 20.00 hrs british summer time this thursday, available on bbc i-player shortly after broadcast..

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  Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33609927
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  exJW Billboard is up.

  by cappytan in

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  waiting on higher resolution photos from wifibandit.. but here is the (redacted) notification from the company.

  apparently they take photos with a potato.. (the billboard directs folks to http://jwawake.com ).

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  Admiration from :

  
  www.reddit.com/r/exmormon
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  So I clicked on the Mormon come-on advertisement to "Come chat about Jesus Christ"

  by oppostate in

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  so i clicked on the mormon come-on advertisement on the top, the right side and the bottom of the jwd page that invited me to "come chat about jesus christ".. i started a chat with brook and taiza and asked them why the subtitle of the book of mormon changed from "another gospel of jesus christ" to "another testament of jesus christ".. brooke told me it hadn't so i googled it and told them there's plenty of websites that refer to it that way and i had a very old copy with that subtitle on it.. so taiza says it's probably a copy by some break off group and not from them.. i told her the inside said from the "lds".

  so they left the chat.. so i figured maybe there's a technical glitch and i shouldn't assume they just dropped me.. so i log on again and give my last name instead of my first name this time.. and hellen and catherine log into the channel.. i ask them again about the title change and they drop off the chat.. so i figured twice is very unlikely that they had a glitch, and i'm pretty sure they dropped me because they didn't like my question.. one more time, i'll give them one more try.. so i log on again, with my middle name this time.. brooke and jayne log on.. i type that i'd been chatting previously with brooke.. she types back that she's a different brooke.. so jayne starts asking if i read the book of mormon.. i say yes and i have a question about it.. so i ask my question about the "another gospel" to 'another testament" change.. she says that she does not recall ever hearing about that and what do i like about the book of mormon.. i then ask her about the "gospel" paul wrote about in corinthians.. she says it's the same as in the book of mormon.. i ask back that if the gospel is the "same" why call it another???

  and i quote her galatians 1:8.. she says that it does not apply to the book of mormon since it is not different from the bible so therefore, it is not another good news.. but that is the subtitle of the book isn't it.. so she sends me a link to a two minute video by the lds telling of the finding of the tablets and the transcription from reformed egyptian to english by joseph smith.. i started questioning whether reformed egyptian was a real language.

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  Ask them to describe why they believe. If they mention anything spiritual (e.g. God bore witness to me) just keep asking about that experience. The more you probe the weaker it will reveal itself to be. There is almost no point in debating theology but every point in asking sincere questions about their reason for belief. My greatest pauses for thought have always been when people asked me searching questions rather than told me things. As you flesh out the backstory of the missionary you can ask questions like , 'So you have given up 2 years of your life for this based upon x. What would you do if you knew it was wrong...? Can you go home? Would you go home? etc..