myelaine
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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myelaine
dear MrFreeze...
you asked: "If we are completely gone but are recreated, are we technically even the same person?"...
I think to God we would be the same person even if we don't have memory of our "being" previously...having the same state of "being" as we did at the first death ie: justified, just or unjust would be the continuity of our mortal person at birth...but again it is our state of "being" at death which is what is important to God...eccl. 7:1...proverbs 15:30...who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
love michelle
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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myelaine
I read in the newspaper recently that the myths built up around various gods can be correctly identified as dead religions...(or something like that)
I've also read that the Spirit gives life everlasting through Jesus Christ.
xo
p.s. some might call it guessing but I believe that with study of the bible and the Holy Spirit leading into all truth there can be found some interesting answers to complex questions. I would have to say that to reiterate or clarify what I said in my previous post: I believe that the resurrection of the justified, just and unjust started around the time of the incarnation and those who God had justified by faith previously immediately received and still immediately receive the Good News with joy and were/are quickened at their "second death"...rev 20:6...
those who were/are not justified by God but were/are resurrected as just will eventually receive the Good News with joy...those who were/are resurrected as unjust may eventually receive the Good News with joy too or...revelation 21:7-8
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How can JW's not believe in the soul and yet believe in the spirit?
by Terry inthis is a real puzzler.. for christendom at large there is no problem in thinking of humans as a body (tent) which houses the soul.. for jehovah's witnesses the human is the tent.
no soul is contained.
(they make "soul" the same as body.).
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myelaine
dear Terry...
you said: "For Jehovah's Witnesses the human IS the tent. No soul is contained. (They make "soul" the same as body.)"...
accordingly the ones under the altar would be given a white "tent" while they wait for the completion of their number(rev.6:11)...at the same time they had washed their "tents" in the blood of the Lamb(rev 7:14)...and of course Jesus Himself was given a "tent" too (rev.19:13)when His moral body was quickened by the Holy Spirit in/through resurrection.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't seem to understand or accept that the human vessel is presently a container for the intellect of the soul...when Jesus' mortal body died, the intellect of the soul wasn't dead He was able to preach to the spirits in hell(1 peter 3:19)...before His resurrection the just and the unjust (both the body & spirit of the individual) were asleep in death(able to be awakened)...it seems that justified and just are two different "states" of being...ie. cyrus the persian was just to the hebrews but he wasn't justified by God(?)
after the resurrection of Jesus Christ Abraham was "justified/quickened by the Holy Spirit" because of his unwavering faith(apparently moses wavered elijah did not), just like all believers since that "time": acts 13:39, rom 3:20, rom 3:24, rom 8:30, gal 2:16)
1 tim 3:16...
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.it is the intellect of the soul or spirit that is given a "tent" "robe" or body (house: isaiah 38:1, luke 18:14) SINCE the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
interestingly pauls "job" was a tent maker!...by teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ he was "preparing" the people, so to speak, to "set their house in order" so as to apprehend the "tent" at death.
love michelle
p.s. job knew that his mortal body would some day stand on earth but there is no evidence that he would be aware that he was "job". so the "in the memory of God" theory + resurrection (of the JW's) has no scriptural support...unless I've missed it and I'd be pleased to see it if it's there. the only thing close to their theory is when God says that He knew jeremiah in his mothers womb...but God knows jeremiah from beginning of life to end of life (just like He knows all of us!)so that doesn't really count.
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A reason christs ransom makes no sense to me
by Aussie Oz indo you remember the old jeff bridges film ''the last starman''?.
basic theme was an extra terestrial energy life transmogrified into a human and impregnated a woman with a seed that would become the savior of humanity.. hollywood is an old hand at using good v evil sort of messages that have ideoligical ties to the bible and the 'need' for mankind to be saved from themselves.. what gets me about this particular film is that the savior to come was there for all humanity.
no conditions were placed on how many from what nations could benefit, nor was salvation only for those who 'believed' or were smart enough to read visions or hidden messages etc.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
Abraham was the man who would not hesitate to choose God over his own family (in matters pertaining to his faith). Jesus would (more appropriately) be compared to the ram.
romans 4:17-25
love michelle
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Why the Memorial Is Held on the Wrong Day
by Leolaia intonight on the evening of april 18, 2011, observant jews worldwide will celebrate passover seder, a night "different from all other nights".
the watchtower society annually schedules the memorial for jehovah's witnesses on a date that is supposed to coincide with the jewish observance of passover, as it would have been reckoned during second temple times (in particular, in the first century ad during the life of jesus).
this year the memorial was observed last night, the evening of april 17. the two religious observances are thus a day out of synth, at least this year.
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myelaine
thank you Leolaia
love michelle
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The condition of the dead
by jgnat ina self-proclaimed knowledge of the jehovahs witnesses is the condition of the dead, knowledge that somehow the rest of the world has missed.
their claim to this knowledge comes from a unique interpretation of the bible.
to even entertain this belief, the reader must also trust the bible as a reliable source of information.. the jehovahs witnesses reinforce this knowledge of death and resurrection with attractive images of the paradise to come.. .
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myelaine
dear J. Hofer...
Jesus might have been one of those fundamentalists I suppose...He quoted from the bible too, because "it" said so.
John 5:28-29
luke 20:35-38
love michelle
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Prayers for my daughter, Ali, not a good update
by coffee_black inmy last update on my daughter was so good...but it didn't turn out that way.
she was cleared to go back to work, but with limitations... she couldn't lift more than 10 pounds.
her employer wanted her back but wouldn't agree to the lifting restriction.
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myelaine
that's really good news for you and your family, coffee_black...
love michelle
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The condition of the dead
by jgnat ina self-proclaimed knowledge of the jehovahs witnesses is the condition of the dead, knowledge that somehow the rest of the world has missed.
their claim to this knowledge comes from a unique interpretation of the bible.
to even entertain this belief, the reader must also trust the bible as a reliable source of information.. the jehovahs witnesses reinforce this knowledge of death and resurrection with attractive images of the paradise to come.. .
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myelaine
dear PSacramento...
in daniel 12:2 it says that in the resurrection there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust...so those who are resurrected will not be "free of sin and final judgement, will be incorruptible" as you have said...logically, those who are wise would have to choose Jesus Christ. why?...because there is no wisdom in the grave and they wouldn't have chosen Him yet...those who die in Christ are present with Him in heaven. so if they don't NEED a resurrection of the flesh body, they are not with the "MANY" spoken of in daniel. (also note that in the great white throne judgement the places mentioned that give up the dead are earthly)...(those in Christ are in heaven and already judged according to His righteousness at the time of their death)...I think when paul said that he hoped for "the better resurrection", he was hoping for the exact thing that he spoke of..."to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"
love michelle
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To the Houshold of God, Israel... and those who go with...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
for the first time in close to 15 years, i have not been compelled by our lord to issue an "invitation" on this board regarding the upcoming wtbts "memorial" event.
for many years, i have posted exhortations and reminders as to what our lord said about those "in union" with him and what it takes to be in such union.
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myelaine
dear AGuest...
you said: Shouldn't SOMEONE, then, care enough to say, "THIS is what you ALL should be doing?" My Lord has taught me that love says, yes, someone should. But who?...(john 6:45)
will you have the opportunity to instruct them all on why they should be taking the elements? will they all have an opportunity to examine themselves to see if they are indeed in the faith before they take the elements?
"and I would never advise anyone to go against their conscience. Again, this is not an exhortation for everyone, but for me, I know... and those who DO go to that event, still."...yet you would "remind" them? if this very serious instruction came from the Spirit then it wouldn't go against our conscience(s) would it?(1 cor 12:7)
further to God ultimately leading the people to Jesus and therefore the importance of the elements...the bible says that when the people thirst HE will plant people and set people IN THAT WILDERNESS so that they may all see and KNOW, consider and UNDERSTAND together...isaiah 41:17-20. Nothing here about random attendance at a yearly memorial to show (even) just one. God will plant that all will understand "life giving water" together!...
thankfully, there is nothing wrong with praying that God would plant "good trees" at the GB level (desolate heights) that they would invite their congregants to take life's water...free...amen.
love michelle
p.s. I'm glad that you're recovering well from your surgery...take care Shelby...xo