Adam did follow his nature up until he chose to be disobedient(he didn't have a sense of "moral choice" until he ate from the tree of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL). he became a victim of someone who knew about "moral" choice, satan.
xo
myelaine
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If there is such a thing as ORIGINAL SIN what does that do to "morality"?
by Terry in"it is the concept of original sin that negates morality.. if man is guilty by nature, he has no choice about it.. if he has no choice, the issue does not belong in the field of morality.
morality pertains only to the sphere of man's free will -- only to those actions which are open to his choice.. to consider man guilty by nature is a contradiction in terms.".
augustine had the mistaken view that many metaphysicians had at that time: all humans were "nested" inside of adam like those russian dolls that fit inside each other.
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If there is such a thing as ORIGINAL SIN what does that do to "morality"?
by Terry in"it is the concept of original sin that negates morality.. if man is guilty by nature, he has no choice about it.. if he has no choice, the issue does not belong in the field of morality.
morality pertains only to the sphere of man's free will -- only to those actions which are open to his choice.. to consider man guilty by nature is a contradiction in terms.".
augustine had the mistaken view that many metaphysicians had at that time: all humans were "nested" inside of adam like those russian dolls that fit inside each other.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
the fact that A&E had the choice between eating from all the trees and one tree shows that their original sin wasn't one of morality but obedience.
Jesus was without sin because He always (even preincarnate) did the will of His Father...He was obedient.
The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields,
Or the primal dust of the world.
When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,
When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.“Now therefore, listen to me, my children,
For blessed are those who keep my ways.
Hear instruction and be wise,
And do not disdain it.
Blessed is the man who listens to me,
Watching daily at my gates,
Waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoever finds me finds life,
And obtains favor from the Lord ;
But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul;
All those who hate me love death.” (proverbs 8:22-36)love michelle
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Is it WHAT you believe that is important...or...is it HOW?
by Terry inoverheard:.
"is your cup half full or half empty?".
"well, depends on whether you just poured something out or poured something in.".
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myelaine
dear JamesThomas...
you said: "We then enter into the deep unspeakable sense of the question of “Who am I”; totally naked and bare of everything. We are a blank slate. A void. Empty. Nothing to hinder, nothing to filter, nothing to taint, the pure light of Truth to enter and so be seen and known."...
BUT, this is your "truth"..."What does matter, amounts to one thing: how we treat each-other and all life and planet."...
WHAT if that input deprivation brings out the worst, unspeakable, "Who am I"...who's to call that wrong?...not you?...because..."The preface is that the paramount truth, the wisdom and knowing that we seek -- is present, here, now. What good is a “truth”, if it is absent? For truth to be truth it must be valid, alive and undeniable when embraced and beheld."
love michelle
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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?
by Terry inthe great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.
i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.
what are we missing?.
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myelaine
thank you return of parakeet...
I know. Cold Steel and I have had previous "pm" discussions.
Our Christmas card exchange encouraged further discussion as well.
love michelle
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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?
by Terry inthe great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.
i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.
what are we missing?.
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myelaine
dear Cold Steel...
who were the sons of God in this scripture, job 38:4-7?
regarding the "sons of God" spoken of in the flood narrative...and in jude 6 these same ones are called angels:
The spiritual bodies of the fallen angels are "material" they needed to be confined under great weight where they do not R.I.P. "...bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth: (1 enoch 10:15)..."judgement has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you. From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He[the Lord, the Mighty One] has said, that on earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures. 1 enoch 14:3-4
the spiritual beings (fallen angels) in the OT were able to co-habitate with women and have children by them...a spirit/ghost can't do that. They are portrayed as going against Gods will not their "abilities"...Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever,, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring? "You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted youselves with women, have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do. These however die and perish. 1 enoch 15:2-4.
love michelle
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Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....
by tresdecu innot trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.
http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.
is this just a lot of talk?
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Lover, Come Back
by compound complex inyou once were true.
.. with no more than the fierce beating of my heart as your signal,.
you would hasten deliciously into my presence and cherish me.
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myelaine
FLEE, my beloved, and be like a gazelle or a young stag on the mountains of spices...
love michelle
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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?
by Terry inthe great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.
i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.
what are we missing?.
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myelaine
"Saving...killing...resurrecting...is this really a PLAN?
Why the Rube Goldberg nonsense?"
jude 9
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The "Flood" in Noah's day--why wasn't that Armageddon enough?
by Terry inthe great day of god the almighty certainly is a fit description for the destruction of men, women, children, grandmothers, infants and puppy dogs in the days of noah.. why didn't destroying everybody on earth except a remnant of 8 count as armageddon?.
i mean, if you are starting all over by genocide--shouldn't it count for more than bad temper?.
what are we missing?.
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myelaine
dear Cold Steel...
you said: " Not all were equally as wicked in Noah's day, but my point is the God "wipes out" no one. He just...ummm...changes their scenery. Even those destroyed at Jesus' coming will be very much alive in spirit. And though they may be punished, it will not be forever. Some believe that Hell is both temporary and remedial. And ultimately men will be their own tormentors. "
the flood in noah's day was to destroy wickedness. God said that those with purely human DNA were wicked too(genesis 6:6). God also said that there would be a resurrection of the just and the unjust (acts 24:15)
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever. daniel 12:2-3 (at the time of the end, daniel 12:4)In this resurrection it is seen that there are those who turn many to righteousness.
THEN Jesus, the living Word, came speaking the law and the prophets and turned many to righteousness (jeremiah 23:5-6).
Jesus raised lazarus (a jewish son) from the grave. The account of the rich man and lazarus from the mouth of the living Word, Jesus Christ:
“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’” (luke 16:19-31)
please note that both of these men had the law and the prophets. One son believed (had faith, like abraham) and one son did not. It can be said that because lazarus had been resurrected...so had the rich man been. The place that this rich man had gone was not temporary or remedial in the sense that it was a cleansing place, it was a perminent place where God sends people who aren't turned to righteousness. Jesus illustrated that there is a great "FIXED" golf between the two and there is no going back and forth. The people who are not turned to righteousness are not undergoing a cleansing period. they stay there being tormented in a flame (not tormenting themselves)...so, who will you believe, Jesus or "some" (acts 24:14)
the flood wasn't enough because the resurrection and final seperation was still in the future.
love michelle
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PERFORMANCE: the role of the Governing Body of mystical magicians
by Terry inthe truth about magic.
the truth about magic is that a magician jealously guards his secrets for a different reason than you might at first imagine.
it is the art of misdirection combined with the concealment of the important element or fact that sets you up to be fooled.. both a magician and a religious authority change the rules of reality.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
I sincerely apologise.
I found these statements. " I prayed almost continuously from morning until night for Jehovah's will to be done in my life". " I bowed my head and prayed before every meal much to the embarrassment of others."
love michelle