Posts by myelaine

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i wish more churches would preach truth like this

by unstopableravens in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.

myelaine

the strong's definition of torture is not removed from what the "meaning" is now.

those in hell will be in torments because they haven't been assessed as pure like those who have been covered by the blood of the Lamb. the assessment/torment isn't going to change. the outcome of the judgement is eternal. Another way that this assessment/judgement is portrayed is by fire. The outcome of that is eternal too.

the method of assessment whether by literal fire or the consuming gaze of the Lord shouldn't really deter someone from contemplating the seriousness of rejecting the salvation that Jesus is extending to each human being. a person will be subject to the pain and anguish resulting from being left behind, that person will also be eternally subjected to the reactions of others to their similar situation...

Tammy is your opposition to the unchangeableness of the torments(no purgatory/purification type possibity) or the fact that the bible teaches that people will be subjected to the consequences of the results of the assessment for ever and ever.(ie: conscience existance apart from God where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth)

love michelle

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i wish more churches would preach truth like this

by unstopableravens in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.

myelaine

dear jgnat...

in response to your comment about viscious things spouting from doctrine...yes when you see the doctrine as God punishing sin with eternal torment in hell it does sound viscious. However...all the punishment for sin has been poured out on Jesus. God doesn't punish man for his sin Jesus took all of it (literally the sins of the world) That is why the bible doesn't say God is going to punish sinners for eternity in hell. Those in hell are there because they didn't want salvation. Jesus said as much...they didn't want to come into the Light...they stayed in darkness, condemned.

what is more viscious...being upfront about an individuals (possible) fate of eternal torment in hell so that an informed decision based on what the bible teaches can be made OR being mislead by being told that there is no eternal torment in hell there is annihilation?(sweeping all that nasty stuff under the carpet)

one is monumental ear-tickling, really.

The consequence of persons wrong decision is held in stark contrast.

It's despicable. I won't hesitate to mention how many people have been misled by the WTBTS and their dogmatic stance on hell. Those are already showing the consequences of buying into satan's scheme...already HELD in bondage to darkness. initially it sounds better but, that is the means of something designed to tickle the ear.

love michelle

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i wish more churches would preach truth like this

by unstopableravens in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.

myelaine

I have answered questions before on previous threads, Tammy. The answers I've given from the bible using context and continuity are different than the voice you hear. Even the words of Jesus about hell in the bible are at variance to the voice you hear...I suspect that is because you hear someone else besides the real Christ. (I'm truely sorry that you haven't been brought by God to realization of this)

In the interest of clarity and so that others don't keep mixing up the words of Jesus the Christ recorded in the bible with the words of the voice you hear...Why don't you constanty refer us to the full name you were given to use...it's more transparent of both you and your lord. (Unless you can think of some reason why you needn't be transparent)

love michelle

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i wish more churches would preach truth like this

by unstopableravens in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.

myelaine

Tammy said: "Again, please consider what this wrath actually is... not what man has invented"...the wrath of God is to punish sin. unless your sin is COVERED by the blood (the result of the Father's punishing wrath) of Jesus Christ, as Jesus said "you will die in your sin" john 8:24...the sin of THAT person doesn't cease to exist...that sin is an indelible stain linked to that person at their death. That is why in daniel 12:2 the scripture talks about the rigtheous and the unrightous being resurrected..not the sinless and the sinner. Those resurrected are the ones who have died in their sin. In God's ove and mercy they are resurrected to hear the gospel with a view to their repentance and salvation. Daniel 12:3.

the one to initiate talk about eternal hell in torment was Jesus. He saves us from hell, the place of eternal punishment/torment where those resurrected (who don't have their sin cleansed by the blood of the Lamb) reside...in darkness away from the presence of God. God didn't create hell it was "created" by it's citizens...it was their choice...john 3:17-19

love michelle

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Understand: Our salvation is not Jesus' primary concern

by pixel in

...at least that's what the sunday study said:.

"at the same time, we need to understand that our salvation is not jesus' primary concern.

his main purpose from the beginning to the end of his earthly ministry was to work for the sanctification and glory of his father's name".

myelaine

He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

myelaine

Believe me, if you're NOT Jesus...O nevermind...*sigh*

love michelle

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Satan rules the world, well according to the Watchtower Society, right?

by God_Delusion in

hi guys & gals!.

a friend, and current witness, says the jehovah's witnesses have the truth because they're the only religion that state that satan is in control of the world and not god/jesus as some christian religions state.. how can i counter this argument?.

warm regards and love,.

myelaine

I think that the more correct term would be deceived. "The whole world lies under the deception of satan"

deception comes in many forms all leading to the effect...chaos NOT rulership. the latter denotes a semblance of order that isn't there.

love michelle

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

myelaine

dear Adamah...

You said: "Ahhh, so you are aware of the brutality of YHWH, but I suppose Xians realized they cannot win many converts to Xianity by telling people, "Look, there's this powerful being who you REALLY don't want to piss off, so you'd better just play along and do as he says, or we're ALL going to be toast..." Instead, you've got to sell the message of the love of Jesus and joy of knowing that YOU are going to be saved, and thus are on the willing team. Screw the rest of humanity, since it's "survival of the fittest" (which ironically is NOT part of evolution: that's a common myth, often perpetuated by those who don't know jack about evolution)."...

I don't think or speak like that...God condemned man in the garden. It's not a question of "pissing Him off". It's about human nature that has a propensity towards sin whether in thought or deed. God is holy we can not live in the presence of God because we are unholy. The love of God is displayed, not in Him lowering or removing holyness from His person but, giving humans a measure of holyness...He lifts us up. That is love...not beating us when we're down. The gospel message conveys this truth... mankind was condemned by God before we left the garden.

love michelle

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

myelaine

dear Adamah...

You said:"Killing all the male children, but keeping the young girls "for yourselves"? In fact, being kept alive for the purpose of pedophilia might be considered merciful compared to being put to death, like the male children of Midian were, instead of being kept as a breeding cattle."...you really have to have a low opinion of this group of people and their potential for moderate behaviour to so easily read pedophilia for sexual gratification into this scripture.

I don't have a fairy-tale view of OT God...far from it. Based on the OT accounts of God I actually fear the LORD and that's WHY I'm thankful that Jesus took my punishment...When He ordered entire nations killed I can be sure that He is absolutely serious when He says that He is against sin and those who practice it and that He has every intention of routing it out regardless of how horrendous others might think HE is.

the NT scripture says it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God...I have no reason to doubt that.

love michelle

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Fallacies about Faith

by tec in

jw
friends

peace to you!.

this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

myelaine

dear Tammy...

while it's true that a person might be drawn to seek out the true God because of love shown by one of His people, actually a person is drawn TO Jesus Christ by hearing and believing the reproving message of God the Father followed by the message of Forgiveness through Jesus Christ

You said:"It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the Truth(in Christ, who IS the Truth), just as the Father commanded us."...yes words in brackets are yours...and your added words can change what the message is trying to convey. For instance, perhaps these people were meeting regulary, praying together, donating their money, taking turns hosting traveling preachers, reproving false teachers etc...that could very well be the meaning of walking in truth in this letter but you assign the capital letter T and your own meaning and voila...you've succeeded in removing all the things walking in truth could mean and replace it with walking in Christ which means to you walking in love...without defining what God means by walking in love...1 john 2-3-6 again "the truth" is not capitalised.

love michelle

p.s. I never said anything about what religion teaches or about what mainstream christianity teaches so I'm unclear as to why you threw that in your response to me.