http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4IdNoDDXRM
love michelle
heavy, heavy upon my failing heart weighs your aching.
need for my full and loving devotion.. oh, how i spend myself willingly on your behalf as,.
truly, your desires outstrip my own.. were i but a younger and wiry man, would i scale.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4IdNoDDXRM
love michelle
a thought came to me today: since it was only the cup of wine that jesus said represented the new covenant by virtue of his blood, could a case be made that members of the "other sheep" who aren't in the new covenant can and should partake of the bread?
it was only the cup that jesus associated with the new covenant, right?
in all the gospel accounts the cup is associated with the new covenant but the bread isn't.
dear designs...
no doubt you are well versed in the theological argument and clearly desire to talk about it so, go ahead...
love michelle
a thought came to me today: since it was only the cup of wine that jesus said represented the new covenant by virtue of his blood, could a case be made that members of the "other sheep" who aren't in the new covenant can and should partake of the bread?
it was only the cup that jesus associated with the new covenant, right?
in all the gospel accounts the cup is associated with the new covenant but the bread isn't.
dear designs...
people that want to find something nefarious or untoward in the method Jesus instituted for inclusion in the new covenant can take it up with God.
love michelle
a thought came to me today: since it was only the cup of wine that jesus said represented the new covenant by virtue of his blood, could a case be made that members of the "other sheep" who aren't in the new covenant can and should partake of the bread?
it was only the cup that jesus associated with the new covenant, right?
in all the gospel accounts the cup is associated with the new covenant but the bread isn't.
The new convenant was made with cultural jews (Jeremiah 31:31, romans 1:16) the other sheep (gentiles) are grafted in to the "olive tree". There is no biblical motivation to break the other sheep (gentiles) into two groups...one that partakes and one that doesn't. Both Jews AND gentiles have to receive the new convenant. That being signified by partaking of both the wine and the bread.
love michelle
everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.
each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.
the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.
The bible says that none are born with "free will" we are born in bondage...to our fallen nature.
Jesus Christ (the second adam) sets us free...to be a new creation. Born again...to enter His kingdom.
love michelle
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2014 the watchtower, april 15, page 6.
I hope so...
peace to you!.
this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.
this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.
dear Band on the Run...
I think we can all see that you have exhausted all patience with Tammy. Please consider taking a break from responding to her posts. You are making no effort to distance yourself from the situation and your emotions are esclating when you need to practice self control. I hope you agree with me :)
love michelle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
the strong's definition of torture is not removed from what the "meaning" is now.
those in hell will be in torments because they haven't been assessed as pure like those who have been covered by the blood of the Lamb. the assessment/torment isn't going to change. the outcome of the judgement is eternal. Another way that this assessment/judgement is portrayed is by fire. The outcome of that is eternal too.
the method of assessment whether by literal fire or the consuming gaze of the Lord shouldn't really deter someone from contemplating the seriousness of rejecting the salvation that Jesus is extending to each human being. a person will be subject to the pain and anguish resulting from being left behind, that person will also be eternally subjected to the reactions of others to their similar situation...
Tammy is your opposition to the unchangeableness of the torments(no purgatory/purification type possibity) or the fact that the bible teaches that people will be subjected to the consequences of the results of the assessment for ever and ever.(ie: conscience existance apart from God where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth)
love michelle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
dear jgnat...
in response to your comment about viscious things spouting from doctrine...yes when you see the doctrine as God punishing sin with eternal torment in hell it does sound viscious. However...all the punishment for sin has been poured out on Jesus. God doesn't punish man for his sin Jesus took all of it (literally the sins of the world) That is why the bible doesn't say God is going to punish sinners for eternity in hell. Those in hell are there because they didn't want salvation. Jesus said as much...they didn't want to come into the Light...they stayed in darkness, condemned.
what is more viscious...being upfront about an individuals (possible) fate of eternal torment in hell so that an informed decision based on what the bible teaches can be made OR being mislead by being told that there is no eternal torment in hell there is annihilation?(sweeping all that nasty stuff under the carpet)
one is monumental ear-tickling, really.
The consequence of persons wrong decision is held in stark contrast.
It's despicable. I won't hesitate to mention how many people have been misled by the WTBTS and their dogmatic stance on hell. Those are already showing the consequences of buying into satan's scheme...already HELD in bondage to darkness. initially it sounds better but, that is the means of something designed to tickle the ear.
love michelle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
I have answered questions before on previous threads, Tammy. The answers I've given from the bible using context and continuity are different than the voice you hear. Even the words of Jesus about hell in the bible are at variance to the voice you hear...I suspect that is because you hear someone else besides the real Christ. (I'm truely sorry that you haven't been brought by God to realization of this)
In the interest of clarity and so that others don't keep mixing up the words of Jesus the Christ recorded in the bible with the words of the voice you hear...Why don't you constanty refer us to the full name you were given to use...it's more transparent of both you and your lord. (Unless you can think of some reason why you needn't be transparent)
love michelle