dear CoCo...
o.k...throwing in an "anti-disclaimer" did confuse me
keep. it. simple. sweety.
love michelle
myelaine
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Casper Milquetoast's Cousin, Walter Mitty
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ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa revved the rolls-royce gas turbine bypass turbofan aero-engine as sir walter mitty prepared for takeoff ... the comely cockpit stewardess, a certain babette de sheer, plied her sumptuous way to sir walter's seated, muscled side and offered him a tall, cold one: a frosty lalique of milk, shaken, not stirred .... .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zva5xmrz48a.
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Casper Milquetoast's Cousin, Walter Mitty
by compound complex in.
ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa revved the rolls-royce gas turbine bypass turbofan aero-engine as sir walter mitty prepared for takeoff ... the comely cockpit stewardess, a certain babette de sheer, plied her sumptuous way to sir walter's seated, muscled side and offered him a tall, cold one: a frosty lalique of milk, shaken, not stirred .... .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zva5xmrz48a.
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myelaine
CoCo...
are you winking because what you just said in your post to me is a lie?...if so, why would you feel so inclined?...
love michelle
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Casper Milquetoast's Cousin, Walter Mitty
by compound complex in.
ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa revved the rolls-royce gas turbine bypass turbofan aero-engine as sir walter mitty prepared for takeoff ... the comely cockpit stewardess, a certain babette de sheer, plied her sumptuous way to sir walter's seated, muscled side and offered him a tall, cold one: a frosty lalique of milk, shaken, not stirred .... .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zva5xmrz48a.
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myelaine
greetings, CoCo...
In the last house I lived I painted the black front door a nice Chinese red colour...that didn't go over too well with my bf. black is where it's at as far as he's concerned...:(
love michelle
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I need a show of hands: who believes the Bible and to what extent?
by Terry ini'll start off.. i don't believe anything is divine about bible writings.
i believe there may be some marginal history although not much.
i think alot of folk tales and regional myths are contained in the old testament.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
you said: "I asked this question (see Topic above) to determine if the very act of disconnecting from a strong belief system (voluntarily or otherwise) automatically REBOOTS the abandoned rational fuse in one's brain or not.
It would appear it does."...
HUH?...because there were "disconnected" people who responded who still believe, (to some extent and/or to a great extent), the message contained in the bible...how can you determine that there IS an "abandoned rational fuse"?...AND that it has been rebooted?
love michelle
p.s. unless I'm misunderstanding your (stated) criteria...I think you might be losing it my friend.
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I need a show of hands: who believes the Bible and to what extent?
by Terry ini'll start off.. i don't believe anything is divine about bible writings.
i believe there may be some marginal history although not much.
i think alot of folk tales and regional myths are contained in the old testament.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
you've been posting on here for over 6 years and you aren't aware of what most people are willing to believe yet? this kinda seems like counting allies......
there is a saying, "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone"...
I can't see anyone holding much sway over mahmoud ahmadinejad et. al. pleading secularism, or pluralism for that matter.
love michelle
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myelaine
Hi Tammy...:)
you said: "It does... but not every nation had a covenant with Him, as Abraham and his descendants did."... mohammed came after Jesus and ratified what Jesus said...his claim was that he WASN"T ignorant of what was taught in the gospel. so to say that his "true" ascendancy is from abraham through ismael, yet skipping the new covenant, is really just a convienent excuse to veil his religion as a "form" of "truth" apart from judaism...which it isn't..mohammed borrowed stories from both the jewish OT and the gospel to the gentiles to gain legitimacy...according to the bible israel/the jews are God's chosen and everyone else is a gentile subject to the gentile method of "conversion" to the Holy God.
I realize that you haven't read the whole koran yet but please keep these "questions" in mind. it is too easy to be swayed by the notion of tolerance to the effect that we as a people will let the most vulnerable people down...many if not most muslims have never even read the koran and don't understand that they are essentially willing to die and in some horrific instances kill for what they think and believe that the koran says. education is key in correcting this. however, since most muslim majority "lands" are closed to the gospel it is very important to try to educate western muslims in the hope that they stand up en mass and claim responsibility for educating their own to the greater degree until these hungry lands open up...I am convinced that any honest muslim would rather know the truth about THESE grave problems than perpetuate to next generations the problems inherant in other parts of the text. especially since, unfortunately, it is these poor uninformed "youth" that are the target of radicalization....babies.
anyway...
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myelaine
dear Tammy...
you said as well..."There is no reason to think that there have not been prophets or miracles or teachings from God sent to other people as well - but that is between them and God."...
true enough but "God is not man that He should lie"...and so it STANDS TO REASON that He would have the same message for everyone in every place in every tongue...right? as it is we have many different religions that promote many different ways to live in this world...but only the religion of Jesus Christ shows the approved way to be forgiven by God to enter into His "world" and stand in the presence of the Holy God. If God gave us the ability to reason and to come to CONCLUSIONS given different and opposing data, then we must use this God given gift to the betterment of our fellow man and not allow them to live in ignorance...that is what satan wants. that is not what God wants, He has given us the way and the means to "go" to these people and tell them the truth and because it is NOT just a casual suggestion...Jesus commanded us to "go"...
love michelle
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myelaine
dear bohm...
you stated in post #2489: "if you by evidence mean eye-witness accounts only recorded in the bible which was written down long after the fact by people who were allready "christians" (or proto-christians), is that evidence then really stronger than that of the miracles the prophet muhammed has said to have carried out?"
...there IS no mention of mohammed performing any miracles, afaik...there is mention of a night journey where he is said to go on a miraculous trip from mecca to jerusalem. once there he assended into heaven from the temple mount and spoke to other prophets while riding a half mule half donkey with wings. first heaven he is met by adam who pays his respects to mohammed. second heaven JtB and Jesus who welcome him and pay their respects. third heavenjoseph pays him his respect. fourth and fifth heaven mohammed is greeted and paid respect. sixth heaven mohammed is greeted by moses who cries when mohammed leaves and mohammed asks him why he weeps and moses replies, "I weep because after me there has been sent (mohammed as a prophet) a young man, whose followers will enter paradise in greater numbers than my followers. seventh heaven abraham greets mohammed and proceeds to have more visions where he receives the command that muslims must pray 50 times a day. on his way back down moses tells him, "your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with bani israel. go back to your lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden." so mohammed got them reduced to 40 and again moses told him to go back and finally they were reduced to 5 daily prayers and moses still figured that was too much and moses then said that he would be ashamed to ask a further reduction and would surrender to allahs orders. later he described to his followers the way that the prophets looked. He was given 2 cups and was told by gabriel to drink (milk or wine)and mohammed chose and drank the milk over the wine and gabriel said, "you have chosen what is natural." (true religion ie. islam) and if you had chosen the wine your followers would have gone astray. when the people of quraysh heard these things they said, "By God, this is plainly absurd." (because it takes longer for most people to get to jerusalem) they then asked him to explain what jerusalem looked like and mohammed explained to them what it looked like and what their caravans looked like and some were convinced by this but his descriptions of jerusalem were not completely convincing as some of his followers abandoned thier islamic faith. 'ibn sa'd, vol 1, 248'...apparently this night journey was given to mohammed not to relay any thing relating to the faith but as a test..."Behold! we told thee that thy lord doth encompass mankind round about: we granted the vision which we showed thee, but as a trial for men, as also the cursed tree in the koran: we put terror into them, but only increases their inordinate transgression!" surah 17:60...later he advised that this was not a bodily journey because his wife aisha explained, "the apostle's body remained where it was but God removed his spirit by night."(ibn ishaq, 183)
dear Tammy...
you said: "Just to note... I only just recently got a Quran, and I am just starting to look at it. As far as I am concerned, Allah is the same God... just according to a different people and their understanding - although showing mercy and God favoring the merciful seems to be quite prevalent, at least in the beginning of the Quran, which is as far as I have read."
Allah is not according to other people, he is according to mohammed only(through, allegedly, the angel gabriel)...mohammed teaches that muslims are forgiven their sin depending on whether their good deeds outweigh their bad deeds. which denies the biblical doctrine of Jesus Christ completely. mohammed denies substitution of any kind completely. the cross shows both the righteousness and love of God. the koran has no explaination as to how allah is righteous or merciful.
"then guard yourselves against a day when one shall not avail another nor sahll intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped." surah 2:48...then in total contradiction mohammed states..."those who sustain the throne and those around it sing glory and praise to their lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe" our Lord! thy reach is over all things, in mercy and knowledge, forgive, then, those who turn in repentence, and follow thy path; and preserve them from penalty of the blazing fire!" (surah 40:7)..."the heavens are almost rent assunder from above them: and the angels celebrate the praises of their Lord, and pray for fogivenes for beings on earth; behold! verily God is He, the oft-forgiving, most merciful". (surah 42:5)
as the Lamb of God Jesus is called our passover lamb...nowhere in the koran is there any mention of the passover or any other feast that Jesus is said to "represent" so to speak. when OT prophets are mentioned they have little to "say" and without knowing the context of the story (from the bible) you would have no idea of what, if any "message" COULD be gleaned.
please...allow me to send you an extra copy of a book that I have called, "Jesus Christ or Mohammed?, The Bible or the Koran?" by F.S. Coplestone.
love michelle
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myelaine
make haste, beloved. your time has come. let no man want for courage.
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Is Forgiveness Overrated?
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is forgiveness overrated?.
if i'm being completely honest with myself, there is a short list of folks who i haven't forgiven.
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dear AGuest...
"you said: "You're missing the entire point, Michelle. And it is because you don't WANT to forgive some. And so this author's thinking... which obviously comports with yours... provides a very convenient way to get around it while still holding a "good" conscience: we only have to forgive those who are repentant. That is melarkey. I wasn't repentant when I found Christ... or, rather, when he found me. Heck, I didn't even know half of what I should have been repentant about. He is the One who showed me... and still shows me."...
since you choose to pontificate in a contrary manner, I'm guessing you just looove to listen to YOURSELF don't you?
love michelle