Posts by myelaine

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A QUESTION NOBODY EVER ASKS....

by Terry in

what is the difference between working a math problem and, say...playing a piano piece?.

the math problem has a correct answer.

getting close to the correct answer is simply called being wrong.. music, on the other hand, can have a wide range of expression not easily judged to be "wrong".

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "I just can't see how a person can occupy their consciousness with a myriad of tribal fetish notions and O.C.D. rules of conduct in order to appease a celestial deity as though they were living in a cave shivering at Thor's thunderbolts"...

tribal fetish?...I'm talking about WHO God IS and worshipping Him. When you know who God is it isn't about tribal fetish notions, it's about worshipping Him in spirit and TRUTH. the fact is that it is the cults that seem to have to prove they have the truth by nursing fetishes and they occupy thier consciousness with trying to disprove the historically stated theology of God with defense of their own notions about who God is. Jesus revealed who God is and said He had "started a fire" on the earth by means of the Holy Spirit through the visible *churchHe established. I think these scriptures imply that taking "strange fire" when worshipping God is akin to NOT worshipping THE God but doing your own thing.

the *church has as her defense..."there is no salvation outside the *church"...as the *churchis the body of Christ...there is no salvation outside the body of Christ...one has to be IN Christ, in the TRUTH. matthew 7:15-19 says beware of false prophets[teaching] because that same false teaching bears bad fruit and john 15:3-4, 8-10 says that one must remain in the word of Jesus to bear good fruit. God commanded exclusive worship, to do your own thing was to spurn Him in the OT. Jesus also commanded exclusive worship of God as stated in the great commission...(to do otherwise is to spurn Him the TRUTH and His salvation).

Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied[taught] in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" matthew 7:21-23 AGAIN..."And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers! 'For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother." matthew 12:49-50

you said: "God's so-called priorities of what OFFENDS Him turns my stomach!"...I hope their plight isn't about YOUR stomach

...because man doesn't remove himself from causing "offense" toward others, Jesus has promised that He will return and put an end to all things that cause offense, that He doesn't follow man's schedule, is reason enough to believe that there are still men who are about to do His will. Until He sees that all men that will be saved, are saved, we wait on His schedule. to put it another way...this isn't His kingdom it is man's and until He steps in to take it, things will remain as they are (rev 22:11-15).

*church...Jesus, having all authority in heaven and on earth, gave the great commission over to the teaching authority of the church...matthew 16:18-19

love michelle

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A QUESTION NOBODY EVER ASKS....

by Terry in

what is the difference between working a math problem and, say...playing a piano piece?.

the math problem has a correct answer.

getting close to the correct answer is simply called being wrong.. music, on the other hand, can have a wide range of expression not easily judged to be "wrong".

myelaine

dear Terry...

survival in a death situation is obviously important but a significant portion of life IS about living some choose to order their life around worship of God, their understanding is that God is central to their life.

dear cantleave...

"Then Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, each took his censer and put fire in it, put incense on it, and offered profane fire before the Lord , which He had not commanded them. 2 So fire went out from the Lord and devoured them, and they died before the Lord ." lev. 10:1-2...

"Then he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from the altar before the Lord , with his hands full of sweet incense beaten fine, and bring it inside the veil." lev. 16:12...

aaron's two sons ignored God's law. they took matters into their own hands and took the fire for the altar from somewhere else. this was a terrible sin on their part because they disobeyed the command of God. their sin cost them their lives.

Jesus gave authority to what by 325 AD became known as the catholic church...Luther took already burning coals of fire from the altar before the LORD to burn incense inside the veil so to speak...the incense could be liked to sincerity as incense is liked to the prayers of the saints...BUT, the other "theologies" are strange fire.

*theologies...I'm refering strictly to the study of who God is, His Being. the catholic church and luthers protestant church teach that christians are to direct worship to the God of the OT (as that God has been revealed as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit)

love michelle

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A QUESTION NOBODY EVER ASKS....

by Terry in

what is the difference between working a math problem and, say...playing a piano piece?.

the math problem has a correct answer.

getting close to the correct answer is simply called being wrong.. music, on the other hand, can have a wide range of expression not easily judged to be "wrong".

myelaine

dear Terry...

suppose that Jesus gave the church the 100% correct theology and conferred on them the absolute teaching authority regarding that theology. Suppose that the church became known as the Catholic Church and they still had the authority and 100% correct theology. Suppose Luther came along and disagreed with the hierchy established in the Catholic Church while upholding that they were 100% correct in the theology. Suppose God says, "no one has "tampered" with My "Being" so, I'm ok with this development." But, suppose eventually others come along and start tampering with the 100% correct theology...they paint an entirely different picture of who God is...they even go so far as to make stuff up, listen to otherworldly entities, draw people out after themselves and or their ideas and completely disregard anything that the original teaching authority said. Why should God make allowances for sincerity if the 100% correct theology is still on the table?

Doesn't pride play a role in refusal to come under authority, to take direction?

I'm speaking specifically about nominally "christian" cults but maintaining that islam is the true religion of peace has become a pretty tough row to hoe lately as well.. I can see God's hand in making it almost impossible for man to sincerely believe these other "theologies" without making a conscience decision to turn from Him. I see that this many years into the history of the church He has made it easy to believe that the Catholic Church was given the teaching authority, 100% correct theology...God's Being hasn't changed in their hands where almost weekly He is moulded like clay in the hands of others.

God is placing all manner of hurdles before those who would tamper with His Being. It's to the point were other "theologies" don't come across as a more "enlightened" view of The God that the jewish and christian congregations worshipped but more like a reinvented God...a post-modern God more like we suppose ourselves to be...a better God than Jesus Himself could have imagined...it seems.

love michelle

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Gorby's wife hospitalized, received surgery

by Gorbatchov in

this week my wife was hospitalized and received surgery.

we are happy she is allright now.

thank god!.

myelaine

It's wonderful that you and your wife were able to talk openly about the matter of taking a transfusion.

I hope Mrs. Gorby has a speedy recovery and continued good health.

love michelle

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Historical Development of the Jesus/Michael Doctrine

by moggy lover in

i have a question about the historical development of the doctrine currently held by the watchtower, specifically about jesus being michael.

i am not interested in a polemic about whether jesus is or is not michael, but rather in how this teaching evolved in the historical development of the watchtower movement.

for instance we know that at least as far back as november 1879, page 4, [reprints page 48] the watchtower was teaching a doctrine contrary to what it currently teaches:.

myelaine

"The Clear Word Bible is a version designed to add prophetic interpretation in commentary form:

In contrast to these ungodly men is the Lord Jesus Christ, also called Michael, the archangel in charge of the entire angelic host. When He was challenged by Satan about His intentions to resurrect Moses, He didn't come against Satan with a blistering attack nor did he belittle him. He simply said, 'God rejects your claim to his body. (Clear Word Bible)

Actually, no one knows what the contest with Satan regarding the body of Moses was about, but..."

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in the resurrection moses (like many other jewish people) has to be converted to JesusChrist to have everlasting life and obtain the promise of the inheritance of God.

michael and satan arguing over the "body" of moses is about satan's hold on moses. (imo moses is tempted to desire the "riches" of this world foresaking the business of the king; luke 19:13-15, 27 )

moses' refusal, plays a part in his obtaining "the promised land" (luke 19:20-23, 26...) just like back in the day. then it was his own unbelief that disallowed his entrance into the promised land... selah.

daniel 12:2-3

love michelle

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The broken COUNTDOWN CLOCK to Doomsday

by Terry in

the very satisfying nature of events which are behind us is that they exist as history.. there is nothing provisional or speculative about occurances that have already taken place.. we have written records in black and white as to how the word "generation" was manipulated over the years by the watchtower.. the gb was looking into the future each time they employed "generation" in order to leverage the readers of their publications into.

activity.. there is no better way to prove the dishonesty of watchtower leaders than to examine the entire history of the "generations" teaching!.

when 1925 turned the president of the watchtower society into a "jackass" all credibility should have ended for him.. he was the new leader with wrong predictions.

myelaine

"As those telltale geriatric faithful began dropping like flies..."

when you talk about peoples fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends like that it shows a real poverty of empathy Terry.

love michelle

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The PROBLEM of MONO theism: the rise of puritanical fanatics!

by Terry in

the source of greatest conflict in our world today rests in two separate beliefs whose friction is unbearably incendiary.. it is a matter of priority.

which is most important?.

1. the here and now (life from cradle to grave).. or.

myelaine

dear Terry...

here are some notes on the destruction of the temple in 70 AD: The historian Josephus said that much of the exterior of the Temple was covered with gold that reflected the fiery rays of the sun. Moreover, he said that, from a distance, the Temple appeared like a mountain covered with snow. This was probably because those parts that were not covered with gold were made of white stone. luke 21:5

During Jesus' time, many of the Jews were so awe struck and impressed with the grandeur of the Temple that they replaced the worship of God with respect and reverence for the Temple complex itself. luke 21:1

The second temple treasury did benefit from a great influx of gold and silver from all lands contributed by worshippers. Cicero wrote of great influxes of gold to Jerusalem during his lifetime. Gifts other than gold or silver coins were sold and their value given to the treasury. Another large source of revenue was profit made from the sale of the meat offerings which were prepared by the Levites and sold every day to the offerers. By far the largest sum was probably derived from the half-shekel of temple tribute which was required of every male Israelite of age, including proselytes and slaves. The total sum of gold and silver contributed annually at the time of Jesus has been estimated to have been of the order of $500,000 per year. A large fraction of this wealth no doubt accumulated year after year over the lifetime of the second temple, (515 B. C. to 70 A. D.). There were numerous temple expenses but the evidence suggests that the bulk of the income was stored up year after year.

Thus, the Roman plunder could well have been worth tens of millions of dollars. The pillaging of the temple, its total destruction and the burning of Jerusalem with terrible suffering and loss of life occurred in 70 AD under the Roman General Titus (Josephus, Wars of the Jews ). Tradition has it that the intense flames of the temple fire melted the gold and silver of the temple so that it ran between the cracks of the rocks. Roman soldiers then totally dismantled the temple stone by stone to extract the gold, (see Matthew 24:1-2). No one seems to know with certainty if any of the vessels or sacred objects from Herod's temple were hidden in subterranean passageways during the long siege of Titus. Most everything of value was most likely carried off to Rome. ~THE TREASURES OF THE HOUSE OF THE LORD by Lambert Dolphin~

love michelle

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The Mark of The Wild Beast, How Does One Receive It? 666

by Este in

the first thing that needs to be determined is who or what is the wild beast ?......

estephan.

1and it stood still upon the sand of the sea.. and i saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names.2now the wild beast that i saw was like a leopard, but its feet were as those of a bear, and its mouth was as a lion's mouth.

myelaine

dear estephan...

Almighty God knows the end from the beginning and this scripture in revelation is a prophecy of the end times. I would suspect that the beast with the number of a man would be an entity that is held prisoner or captive.(rev 13:10) Unlike man though, he is not to be "set free" by the blood of the Lamb, as he is depicted as being thrown into the lake of fire...satan is said to be turned to ashes from within.(ezekiel 28:18) all "man" has to do to receive the number of the beast is to decline the blood of the Lamb.

gr. #616 and #666 respectively.

love michelle

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MOSES AND THE COPPER SERPENT......mysterious!

by Terry in

jw
friends

isn't it odd; even mysterious that christians think jesus could be represented by a serpent?

numbers 21:8 and the lord said unto moses, make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

21:9 and moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

myelaine

dear Terry...

it seems the purpose of the bible was to separate God's truth from fiction. Do you think it serves this intent (ie: 2 Tim 3:16) to indulge in the "mysticism" and error that allegorical interpretation can produce?...beliefs can get way out there in a hurry and I've read that there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin once one has received knowledge of the truth (Hebrews 10:25)...don't look back to untruth to find truth...

Sure the "ingredients" tickle the ear...but now it's time to get real, so to speak: acts 17:30, acts 13:8-10

love michelle

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MOSES AND THE COPPER SERPENT......mysterious!

by Terry in

jw
friends

isn't it odd; even mysterious that christians think jesus could be represented by a serpent?

numbers 21:8 and the lord said unto moses, make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

21:9 and moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "The ingredients of our bible stories are much richer in allegory than the literal view of real persons, places and actual events."...

what is your point? wringing hidden meaning out of the text is a more "colourful" means of interpretation compared to...?

love michelle