Posts by myelaine

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

myelaine

I understand that you want to remain neutral about "God stuff". I just wonder if you haven't done what you cautioned him against, ie: taking something away with nothing to replace it with. "I also explained, "When you open people's eyes up to the betrayal of trust you HARM THEM by taking away their safety net and destroy their WORLD! You inflict a wound! What are you prepared to REPLACE that with? Are you going to tell them to go to a Baptist Church, or become an atheist? You see, they have to SEE THE NEED TO GET OUT as survival of sanity. That's the only way which works."...

When you overheard the initial conversation and made the decision to step in it wasn't a question of his survival of sanity...

judging from what you've written so far I think that perhaps you and he don't share the same perception of the dynamics of your "relationship"...I hope that everything turns out all right and he isn't brought to psychological harm by what can only become an increasing void once his trust of others, familial relationships and friends are seen as "conditional"...

All I'm saying is this: It wouldn't hurt to be reminded that he has faith in someone and he can maintain that connection in a tangible way (when other thoughts and circumstances are chaotic) by reading his bible. you did it yourself in prison...it may be his only safety net.

love michelle

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said, "I'm not worried."...

well maybe you should be. It sounds to me like your protege has already developed a "God sized hole" he's filling with "information" and you.

would you consider suggesting he continue reading his bible as that will be the constant in his tumult?

love michelle

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The fight about the corpse of Moses

by coalize in

the new watchtower, 15th february 2015, p6 6, say :.

the bible writer jude recorded an example from jesus prehuman existence.

(read jude 9.

myelaine

I'm believing he will lead again and then the WTBTS will hear this:

song of solomon 8:13

xo

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The fight about the corpse of Moses

by coalize in

the new watchtower, 15th february 2015, p6 6, say :.

the bible writer jude recorded an example from jesus prehuman existence.

(read jude 9.

myelaine

poor moses...

he's an OT kinda guy who still struggles with unbelief...and O the rants...

(matthew 24:28)

love michelle

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Monotheists my ass!!!

by Crazyguy in

we have been taught that the hebrews were monotheists believing and worshiping in only one god, except for those times when they sinned and worship pagan idol gods.

their one true god is yahweh / jehovah.

comparing the book of genesis with older sumerian and babylonian writings what do we find?

myelaine

Leolaia has done a thorough study here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/225309/1/Bethel-the-house-of-the-canaanite-god-El

love michelle

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Monotheists my ass!!!

by Crazyguy in

we have been taught that the hebrews were monotheists believing and worshiping in only one god, except for those times when they sinned and worship pagan idol gods.

their one true god is yahweh / jehovah.

comparing the book of genesis with older sumerian and babylonian writings what do we find?

myelaine

dear Cold Steel...

you said, " Keep in mind that the early Christians associated Jesus with Yahweh. It was Yahweh who was a son of El. The early Christians saw Yahweh as the mediator between the Farther God and man"...

actually...

Jesus is associated with Yahweh in the scriptures because in the NT Jesus spoke as a Son to the Father. That is what the NT faith portrays as far as relationship goes. Unfortunately for mormon theology the beloved only begotten Son is all over the NT and a pantheon of gods isn't.

Yes! In the OT ([deuteronomy 32:8-9]) there are scriptures that vaguely hint at that (divine council in danel) but, those scriptures were written while the hebrews were still contextualizing their personal encounter with God. JESUS was the final revelation of God...you can begin at the end and work yourself backwards to a ANE pantheon but theologically you end up with a low christiology and elevation of angels/man...the hebrews/israelites continued to look forward.

do you want to sanctify God (so that He will save mankind) or mormon theology?

love michelle

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Christmas lights

by Gorbatchov in

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this night i installed christmas lights in the trees in the front garden of our house.. we all like it, the children like it, so this is the first year we have this lightning.

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hope the elders will like it too ;-).

myelaine

I LOVE Christmas lights but I'm waiting until after November 11 to put them up and enjoy them.

I remember the sacrifice made by many in the commitment to serve their fellow man.(whether a person agrees with it or not, people sacrificed on our behalf)

love michelle

if anyone is interested in going way over board into crazy land about Christmas lights talk to WTWizard...love you D. :)

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Bible - War in heaven - Satan cast to earth - Why?

by berrygerry in

reading the oct 1 1953 wt about gog of magog because of the posts about the changes of identity.. basic question:.

why would satan (whether gog or not) be cast to the earth?.

why not cast him to quadrant 4 of the galaxy?.

myelaine

It has to be understood that a christian "lives" in two realms. The kingdom in heaven and on the earth.

satan deceives on earth in the "realm" of ideas/ideologies and his angels reward those who "buy and sell" in the doctrines of demons. he has had sustained influence of "the air" since Jesus returned to heaven with extra attention directed to the church especially in these last days in order to cause deep division...to weaken "the body". (matthew 24:10-12)

his power of influence will be thrown to the earth, so to speak, when the absolute power, wisdom and salvation of God is revealed to/in the hearts and minds of the VERY elect...the 144,000 missionaries commissioned to gather in new jewish believers.

love michelle

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Scared of Armageddon?

by naja in

in the light of the following promises made by jehovah, how can there be an armageddon?.

genesis 8:21: ... so jehovah said in his heart: never again will i cursethe groundon mans account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up;and never again will i strike down every living thing as i have done.. genesis 9:15, 16: and i will certainly remember my covenant that i made between me and you and every living creature of every kind;and never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all flesh.and the rainbow will occur in the cloud, and i will certainly see it and remember the everlasting covenant between god and every living creature of every kindon the earth.. does it make sense to say "i will never kill you by a flood, next time i will use fire?

just asking.. .

myelaine

The fire from God destroys or dissolves "the elements" of the world/society that aren't in union with His kingdom.

The 5 elements of the world:

POLITICAL: A MONOPOLY ON THE USE OF FORCE/VIOLENCE TO MAINTAIN ORDER. ECONOMIC: PROVIDING FOR THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE AND OTHER HUMAN WANTS.

SOCIAL: PERTAINING TO CUSTOMS, EDUCATION, AND GROUPINGS.

RELIGIOUS: SYSTEMS OF BELIEF THAT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS OF EXISTENCE.

ARTISTIC/INTELLECTUAL: DEALS WITH TRUTH, GOODNESS, AND BEAUTY.

If I remember correctly, according to the bible the only "giant mess" that awaits clean up is weapons. love michelle

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WHY are Watchtower leaders OBSCURANTIST and how can we fight them effectively?

by Terry in

to read and understand this topic you will need to know two things.. following my telling you these two things you'll need to sit and think about them before you react and respond.. ************.

1. understand what obscurantists are and what they do and why .. 2. decide if want to be effective in refraiming your identity (the label given to you) as an ex-jehovah's witness in fighting them.

watchtower society obscurantist leaders.

myelaine

"Doublespeak is language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the ACTUAL meaning of words in everyday society."

As a "society distinct from secularisim...The WTBTS is a willing victim and proponent of this doublespeak. It isn't exclusive to the WTBTS but from the beginning of that sect their "water" was tainted. Revelation 8:10-11

love michelle