Because it's ok to have a different opinion then everyone else, and you're not going to be shunned for it!
Kwin
kwintestal
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Reasons Why We LOVE This Place
by minimus ini love this place.
where else can you find fun, friends, research and the "pulse" of jws and exes?
when we come on board here, we realize that we all share different things that expose us to why we're out or in the process of getting out.
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Finally was able to talk!
by kwintestal inyesterday i was able to actually talk with my wife about the wt, and where i stand.
i mean in detail.
for the last couple of years, i'd get bits and pieces out, but then get shut down as she didn't want to hear, but yesterday was different.
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kwintestal
Geez Kwin she can actually see that there is a molesting problem ,wow , good for her .
Yes, kls, she can. We watched the first news program that came out about it years ago, (despite our PO saying not to because it's like inviting apostates into your home). Since then we've met people who have become good friends and unfortunately have had to deal with this. She was molested by her uncle, and the elders didn't deal with it because of the "2 witnesses" clause in the JW handbook. She went to the police and had charges brought againt the man ... and SHE got shunned. SHE was made to feel worse then she already did because she "brought a brother to court" and didn't "wait on Jehovah". Sick. She's battled anxiety and depression since. Hasn't worked since. Her life has been ruined, because of this. Sick. My wife knows all to well about the problem.
Kwin
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MY DISASSOCIATION LETTER please read
by josephus inhi all this is josephus here and im posting my disassociation letter minus any identifying details which ill leave blank.
i would like thoughts on it if poss, but not spelling tips as my girl will check it 2morrow i just wanted to see if i struck the right balence .
or maybe if i put something wrong.. thanks all josephus.
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kwintestal
Very, very well written. Good job! Gives me ideas for when I compose one of my own.
Kwin
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MY DISASSOCIATION LETTER please read
by josephus inhi all this is josephus here and im posting my disassociation letter minus any identifying details which ill leave blank.
i would like thoughts on it if poss, but not spelling tips as my girl will check it 2morrow i just wanted to see if i struck the right balence .
or maybe if i put something wrong.. thanks all josephus.
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kwintestal
Will be waiting for the rest but it's sounding like a great start already!
Kwin
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Finally was able to talk!
by kwintestal inyesterday i was able to actually talk with my wife about the wt, and where i stand.
i mean in detail.
for the last couple of years, i'd get bits and pieces out, but then get shut down as she didn't want to hear, but yesterday was different.
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kwintestal
Yesterday I was able to actually talk with my wife about the WT, and where I stand. I mean in detail. For the last couple of years, I'd get bits and pieces out, but then get shut down as she didn't want to hear, but yesterday was different. I don't know if it's becasue she's frustrated with dragging both kids to the hall on her own and getting no help, or if it's because in the year that I've not been active as a JW, I've developed friendships that she hasn't been able to build in the 4 years that we've lived in the city, or if it's that she's listened to bits that I've said and developped doubts herself, but whatever caused it, we had our first open and frank discussion in the last year.
It started out how she's frustrated that I've told her not to discuss my personal life with people in the hall. Since I've left I've gotten involved in politics, my union, JWD (shh...she doesn't know about that one yet ). She called me a chicken and selfish for not standing up for what I believe in and DA'ing myself. That's when I asked her "By me DA'ing myself, what is that going to accomplish? Who is it going to hurt?" I explained that it's not going to hurt me because I've not spoken to a JW (other then family) for the past year. It's going to hurt her, because she won't be able to invite her JW friends over (not that she ever does because she doesn't have many, although she always has ambitions about doing it), it's going to hurt my parents and my grandmother, because they will be forced to shun me. That's the only reason. We then went on to discuss other problems with the WTS such as, baptising kids (teens are still kids) who don't know anything but the WTS way, the UN, 607 vs. 587, and the protection of child molesters and hiding of instances(something I've seen on more then one occasion, she knows it, and agreed that it was an issue). I explained that when she started studing, that she only looked at info the WTS gave her, she didn't compare it to outside sources. She was attracted to the WTS, mainly because of the morality that it taught, compared to her catholic background, where she felt that she wasn't taught any, that it was kinda left out of the equasion. She really wasn't concerned about the foundation of the org. which I told her to reasearch. She said she'd think about it which is better then anything I've heard from her yet. I have CoC here at home, and suggested she read it just to get the big picture from a different angle. We'll see where it goes.
Anyway, it was like a weight off my shoulders being able to have such an open discussion with her.
Kwin
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How Did You Describe Awake! On The Door?
by Englishman inwhen i first started selling the mags from door to door i was but a wee lad of 9 years old.
( 9 years old!
what a bleedin' travesty!
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kwintestal
I didn't. My line was: "Would you like some magazines to read in your free time? OK, enjoy your day."
If I described them, I might have been asked questions about them. How the heck would I know what they said?
Kwin
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #112 How severe are shunning acts?
by ozziepost inis the weekend a welcome respite from the past week?
in many ways i guess that can be true.
we've been anxious for news of steve and joy and getting news from them that they survived, even if somewhat damaged, is welcome news indeed!
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kwintestal
Wow, that is extreme Candidly.
Although I'm not DF'd currently, I'm ignored quite often by JW's. I make sure everytime it happens, that I mention it to my wife (who's still in) and then go on about the "love in the cong." and how they're really encouraging me to come back just like the prodical son (sarcasm is intended).
Kwin
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Freedom is...................................................
by ozziepost in"and the truth will set you free" (john 8:32)
so what does freedom mean to you?
finish off this sentence "freedom is..................."
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kwintestal
boxers.
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Seeing Things
by alfie ini am wondering if what i saw on tv is just my imagination or if others have seen it too.
a commercial for jehovah's witnesses.
i was not really paying attention to the tv as i was engaged in a couple of things, but the ad was similar to those mormon ads except that this one ended with an invitation to contact jehovahs witnesses instead.
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kwintestal
I thought it was a mormon ad the first time I saw it too.
http://www.jw-media.org/edu_videos/index.htm
You can see them online there. The one called "Public service announcement" were the ones on TV. Notice how most of them are about kids. Maybe trying to put a spin on all the bad pub. they've been getting for harbouring sex preditors.
Kwin
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what do you think?
by sometimeleft insince my wife and i d/a ourselves , we bumped into 3 people from our former congregation .
i wasn't going to turn back .
then i passed his wife and i repeated the greeting.
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kwintestal
I liked the looks I got when I talked to a DF'd person at a meeting. Sure I got talked to afterwards, but it felt good. I'm sure she felt a lot better too.
Kwin