Seeing some guy who walks around town, telling everyone that the JW's take him into the back room and torture him every week walk past the stage with a Burger King crown on saying, "I'm your king!"
Kwin
i read the post where some kid let go of a helium balloon at a convention, and everyone was watching it.
when i used to attend the conventions, i loved distractions.
i always heard multiple "pssst" sounds from people opening cans of cott cola.
Seeing some guy who walks around town, telling everyone that the JW's take him into the back room and torture him every week walk past the stage with a Burger King crown on saying, "I'm your king!"
Kwin
Happy birthday to us! Except mine's the day after! Here's a little something for you, but don't open it until tomorrow!
Kwin(gonna eat cake!)
essex disaster .
a major hurricane (shazza) measuring 5.8 on the richter scale hit in the.
early hours of monday.
My heart goes out to any here affected by this disaster. I've just made a donation to the local chapter of the Red Cross of a case of Colt 45, wait...some guy with long greasy hair and no shoes just grabbed it and is running...gotta go!
Kwin
because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.
" (matthew 24:12) .
i have a question about this phrase.
While, if that happened, we would be exceptions to most of Jehovah?s people
Really? An exception? I guess my thought is that it says, "The love of the greater number will cool off."
But love did cool off among the Jews, who claimed to be true worshipers. The greater number of them ignored Jesus? warning, revolted against Rome and resorted to a violent defense of their nation
Was this revolution against Rome caused by an increase of lawlessness? I guess that it can be argued that revolution = lawlessness, but the passage doesn't say that they decided to become lawless. The lawlessness around them caused their love to cool off.
True Christians, though, must not become complacent. Since some Christians in the first century lost their first love or were distracted from it by problems, we could find our love cooling off.
I think this statement basically states what my uninformed interpretation to the scripture would be, except not "some Christians", the greater number of Christions.
Lawrance:
I see today's somewhat "civil" K.H. meetings in a short time going beserk with contention full blown and people disagreeing, people hauled out, men manning the hook as a means of maintaining the program's schedule.
There's been more then once that I've wished I had a grasp on that hook! Eventually I got one and hooked myself right out of the hall.
Thanks for your thoughts, both of you.
Kwin
because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.
" (matthew 24:12) .
i have a question about this phrase.
because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off." (Matthew 24:12)
I have a question about this phrase. The watchtower position on this is:
This cooling off of love is clearly reflected in the uncaring and self-centered attitude on the part of so many people today.
1989 WT 6/15 par. 18 in Cultivatin Christian Manners in an unmannerly world
Basically, this cooling off refers to the general attitude of the world today and not one specific group.
This is where my own thoughts differ. I always took this as meaning that, of God's people, the love, of the way of worship, of the greater number will cool off.
If this was the case, then God set up the majority to fail, because he knew right from the start that most will leave anyway. It also throws the JW teaching that God is saving armegedon untill the absolute most people will get in.
Any other thoughts on this? Am I totally off?
Kwin
at least growing up i was told it was satan's house.
we just made the long cross-canada drive to attend my wife's grandfather's funeral.. my wife has had somewhat strained relations with her parents since she became a jw, 8 years ago, and it seemed that this visit was going to be more of the same.
one of the first things her mom said, was that they were having a mass for the funeral in a church.
Sounds like she weighed it all out in her own mind with some positive feed back from her husband (you) as to what would really be wrong with attending the funeral in the church.
I wasn't there to worship or be converted but just to support the family and friends of the deceased.
That about sums it up Special K. She really wasn't sure at first, but she really wanted closure, and that's how she got it. When her other grandfather died a couple of years ago, we weren't in a position to head back for the funeral. She still says that it seems he's not really gone. I think that was a big factor in it too. Her mom and dad weren't sure if we were going to go or not either because it was a Mass. They were happy when they found out we were, and her mom privately thanked both of us afterwards.
We got home and my mom called, (a JW) and the first thing she asked was "Did you go? But wasn't it in a church?" But I guess what can you expect, she also asked "Didn't you find it ackward?" when she found out we visited with my DF'd sister. "Um, no mom. I grew up with her, she's my sister remember???" Then the conversation went downhill from there, but that's another story.
Kwin
i had posted a few times since my awakening asking how best to talk to my wife about my new take on things.
i was very afraid of handilng it poorly and chasing her deeper into the organization.
instead, she basically said, 'i've been feeling the same way!
That's good news. I'm very happy for you! I'm still waiting but one day.
Kwin
at least growing up i was told it was satan's house.
we just made the long cross-canada drive to attend my wife's grandfather's funeral.. my wife has had somewhat strained relations with her parents since she became a jw, 8 years ago, and it seemed that this visit was going to be more of the same.
one of the first things her mom said, was that they were having a mass for the funeral in a church.
Hey there WP, no it wasn't your house. HA! It was her grandparents church, I'm not even sure where her parents go. Both the kids went too, the oldest was a bit concerned at first and after said she didn't want to go back because of all the standing and then sitting again (lol), but the little one didn't care. It was the first time I was in a Catholic church. I didn't think it was that spooky. I was going to go and eat the cookie too, but I wasn't Catholic so I couldn't, I could just be blessed, so I thought "What's the point." Wifey commented on the amount of ceremony in the mass during it. I think it was kinda a "OMG, look at it all." But I quickly pointed out the amount of ceremony that God required from the Isrealites in the temple and the High Priest's requirements. She didn't think of that.
Kwin
at least growing up i was told it was satan's house.
we just made the long cross-canada drive to attend my wife's grandfather's funeral.. my wife has had somewhat strained relations with her parents since she became a jw, 8 years ago, and it seemed that this visit was going to be more of the same.
one of the first things her mom said, was that they were having a mass for the funeral in a church.
At least growing up I was told it was Satan's house. We just made the long cross-Canada drive to attend my wife's grandfather's funeral.
My wife has had somewhat strained relations with her parents since she became a JW, 8 years ago, and it seemed that this visit was going to be more of the same. One of the first things her mom said, was that they were having a Mass for the funeral in a church. I think she expected that my wife wouldn't go. At first she wasn't comfortable with the idea. She didn't say anything, but I could tell.
So we talked about love, God's love, respect for God, and respect for her family. In the end she thought that (in her words) "It was a matter of concience." to attend the service at the church.
You know that really got me thinking. How many JW's don't go to support, love and respect their family members and close friends because they don't want to step foot in a church. It's sad really. I went and I didn't see one person become converted, and not one person asked me if I wanted a bible study afterward the service either.
Would a God of love be offended if you go to remember someone that you love who's died? I doubt it.
Kwin
P.S. On the plus side of this we got to see our family that we haven't seen for 1 1/2 years. Was nice to see them all. My wife and her parents seem to be getting along better too.
ok. most of us here at one time believed in the teachings of the wts.
thankfully most of us are beyond that.. i have noticed that at times i will find some other way, any other way, to avoid using the name jehovah.. and i know i'm not alone.
i see what you post!
i wouldnt disrespect my own father that much, as to call him by his first name
That's an interesting point. I've never thought of it that way. Thank you.
Kwin