Posts by belbab

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the pain inside me (a poem)

by toribabe in

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the pain inside me is often very strong .

because there is much, thats so very wrong .

the hurt comes from the those that claim they love.

In my JW daze, many years ago, I too bared my self naked by writing my thoughts and feelings in poems. I did not keep copies, and can only remember bits and pieces. Even some of those who received my poems did not keep copies and if they did I would never know. Here's an excerpt that I remember in part:

Take me where the music is
The laughter and the singing.
Take me where the music is
Where bells of spring are ringing.....

Too long has ruled the icy gloom
Too long the darkness mouldy,
Too long has frozen winter gripped
And icy winds blown coldly

As the moth seeks candly flame
The bee, the taste of honey
Take me where the music is,
Where life is warm and sunny......

The taste of honey for the bee
For me... the candle flaming
When frail wings of hope are burnt
I crawl away heart paining,

I crawl away heart paining.

belbab

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Wild Turkey...psst, come in here? Don't be shy.

by WildHorses in

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why on earth would you think that you offend us?

you said nothing out of the way.. you haven't even begun to defile the chat room.

lol stick around, you haven't even caught up with me yet.

belbab

Lilocks,

For a minute I thought you were inviting wild turkey to a turkey shoot, you know, like in the old days when they tethered wild turkeys behind a low fence and whenever they stuck their heads up they had to dodge a hail of bullets.

So when I re read the message I get that wild turkey kind of stuck her/his head in expecting to get a head shot off. I can relate to that, when I first tentatively entered a chat room, to see how it worked, the first thing I saw was someone said HI Belbab, and I beat a hasty exit.

So wild turkey, come on back, no body here will eat you, to many people here love the wild things and will protect you.

belbab

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Why be satistfied with second best?

by queenofsheba in

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jw's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.. but how can the belive that they are saved?

the fact is they don't.

i concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.. the gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and jw's stand firmly on that belief.and then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.. don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

belbab

Queen O Sheba,

A hearty welcome to this discussion board. You have posed a good question. Much discussion about the subject of only the 144Ks getting the hot sport cars and get to loaf in the eternel sunshine at the head honchs ranch, while the rest of us, cleaning up garbage and devastation on earth. and on and on and on......

Throw all these interpretations out the door, and if it is your bag, start to read the scriptures and find the answers for your self.

Belbab

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NY Times, cult/baby deaths

by belbab in

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there is an interesting article in ny times regarding child abuse, it is not about jws but has many similarities.

if many people send a copy of this article to others then it will get on the most sent e-mails list and child/cult subjects will remain in the spotlight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/03/national/03baby.html?ex=1013764141&ei=1&en=4a6edbfeb08089cd.

belbab

There is an interesting article in NY Times regarding child abuse, it is not about JWs but has many similarities. If many people send a copy of this article to others then it will get on the most sent e-mails list and child/cult subjects will remain in the spotlight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/03/national/03BABY.html?ex=1013764141&ei=1&en=4a6edbfeb08089cd

belbab

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BOOK DONATION CAMPAIGN ANYBODY?

by Trotafox in

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i mentioned this topic on sleepy's thread but i'd like to have some input please from others on this board.

what i want to know is this: there are so many books available on the net that have been written by other ex-jw's who have been there and know the truth about the borg (other than rf).

what criteria do stores like barnes & noble and christian books stores use to stock particular book titles?

belbab

I donated RaY Franz's book, In Search of Christian Freedom, to the
Vancouver Island Public Library system. It didn't last there one month. I would look it up in the index to see how many people were reading it. It became lost in less than a month. I suspect some JW stole it and destroyed it.

I learnt from another exJw near Vancouver, and he said the same thing happened to Ray's books there also.

Gary Botting told me that after he wrote The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses, he went to the University book store where he was teaching and asked the owner how his book was doing. He replied I have good news and bad news. What is the good news? he was asked. All your books have been purchased, was the answer. What is the bad news? Your mother, [active JW] bought them and took them away and burned them.

belbab

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Depression Anyone??[:(][:(]

by plmkrzy in

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lately ive been feeling really paranoid about the post with worst congs i tried deleting mine but cant.

im probably stressing over nothing.

maybe my meds need adjusting, i dont know.

belbab

Plum,

I can relate to what you are saying about posting something on the board and then after it is done, feelings of having done something wrong arise and you wonder how to undo it. I believe we set our minds to compose a post, and as we are doing it no other negative thoughts enter in, we concentrate on the task at hand. After it is finished and posted then, doubts about what we have said enter in, and we say what the hell have I done.

I read the posts on the worlds worst congregations and I thought it was a good thing to do. It makes us realize that the same problems exist world wide, it is not just that we as an individual alone are what the WT says are unhappy complainers. This article helped me see that problems definately exist world wide and numerous witnesses have attested to it.

As for depression, I've been there, right to the edge of death, the black night of the soul, that writers down through the centuaries have spoken about.

Right now I have a son, who over the xmas suffered nutritional imbalances, which affects his moods, a couple of years ago he was on meds, but these meds flattened him out into a stupor and lethargy, but they did help, we think.

So lately I have been searching for alternatives to meds. I went to the library and got a bunch of books on nutrition and mental illnesses. Some here have mentionned serotonin, I went to health food store and got some amino acids, namely precursor to seritonin, tryptophan and these turned him around almost immediately. Also required is essential fatty acids and B vitamins. Avoidance of alcohol and too much sugars and carbohydrates, to which he is allergic were also required.

Two quotes from one of the books I am reading:

Depression is a reaction to loss.

Depression results from aggression turned inward.

Now that I have finished this post, doubts are entering in. Who am I to be telling you, what you should be doing. I will set these doubt aside and still send this message. If you would like a list of books that will help, then e-mail me or request them on this thread. I could also tell how to delete your threads on the post you mentionned but I won't, the information is wanted and needed.

belbab wishing you and all the others well being and happiness.

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Archaeology vs WBTS ( who build the pyramids?)

by bj in

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in my book of bible stories (1978), chapter 27, the wbts give the impression to readers, that israelites, participated in building egyptian pyramids.

also, the watchtower - november 15, 1987, page 30, raises the two following questions: "do the pyramids of giza (near modern cairo) bring to mind abused slaves toiling under hot sun to drag huge stones into place?

and do you imagine hebrew slaves among them?

belbab

I believe I read somewhere, that there exists certain hieroglyphics on stone, that said there were teams of stone handlers etc. and they were in competition with each other. This certainly does not seem to indicate slaves did all the work.

Can you imagine, baseball teams playing as slaves. Hey maybe the Watchtower could get a franchise, and use their slaves as a exultation to Jah's name.

belbab

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Millions of flies now living may NEVER die!

by Nathan Natas in

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from: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_502610.html?menu= .

scientists move closer to finding 'elixir of life' .

scientists working on a discovering an elixir of life say it has already worked on fruit flies.. the drug is said to increase longevity while maintaining youthful health.. us researchers are confident enough to be planning a new set of experiments on mice.

belbab

This certainly must be a provision from Jehovah. Armageddon certainly must be close. Millions and millions of flies will be required to handled the millions and millions who will certainly die at the Big A. They will lay eggs and the maggots will devour the corpses.

I bet also that the buzzards and eagles are laying twice as many eggs also to prepare in the handling the millions and millions of birdfeed at the big evening feast of God.

Tremble you all, the end is close!

belbab, here am I Lord, me first, me first.

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SANDWICHES to the SOCIETY

by Amazing in

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the sandwich: something struck me recently about the way jws write to the society ... and those thinking about leaving the organization will do this.

even those elders who are poorly educated ... with no training in how to compose a letter ... will instinctively use the "the sandwich method" in correspondence with the wts.. for those not familiar with the "sandwich" method in business correspondence: this is where you open up with nice words (soft bread) to a business you are having trouble with ... then you layer on some introductory reasons (lettuce, sauce, and tomatoes) ... then hit them with the real issues and concerns (meat) (your conclusions as to why they are jerks and had better change their ways) ... then you add words of grace, and magnanimity (good cheese and spices) to assure them you will work with them on a number of ways to resolve the problem, and then conclude with nice words again to assure them that they are still okay -- final ego stroke (soft bread out the back end) -- all in all that is "the sandwich method.".

following is a typical type of letter written to the society including some or all of the following types of sentences -- and analysis of why these are used:.

belbab

Excellant post, Amazing, .....white bread.

I sure hate the sandwich method, crawling in on your hands and knees, grovelling, hat in hand, whining voice.....

Have you considered the left handed approach?

Biblical, that is.

Lefty Ehud, gains entrance to Eglon's tent, in private, no two witnesses, pulls out his concealed weapon, and pokes it where it has the most effectiveness and it disappears out of sight,(not evident) and then Ehud sneaks out under the tent wall out the back.

This is all figuratively, of course.

belbab

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What becomes of old Bethel workers?

by freeman in

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what happens to bethel workers when they get old?

it seems to me that if one were a bethel worker for most of his or her life, he or she would have very little if any savings to draw on in their old age.

also unless im mistaken, a bethel worker does not pay into social security and we all know the borg does not, so i dont think they can collect social security, can they?

belbab

Maybe they are passed on into the Apostate community to be cared for there, like Brother Dunlop.

Freddie Franz, had a brother whose sole assignment was caregiver to him until the very last. Anyone know who he was?