i am 7 years old and would like to make some friends with any ex jw kids out there.. i like music, dancing, movies (just saw clockstoppers, it was awesome), books.
we are about to move and i made a house out of the boxes!
my mom says i should be an engineer when i grow up because i can make lots of neat things with the boxes!.
Bubbles, I wish I was seven years old again, so that I could be your penpal. I am seventy years old, but if I hear of anyone one that is around seven then I will send them along to you.
Keep looking and I hope you continue to post on this board. You are a breath of fresh air.
belbab
i'm sure several here have posted and tried to be a thorn in the flesh of some of the jw-loyal forums on the net.. what was most effective?
if someone announced "i am an apostate and i think you jws are all wrong and i will prove why" do you think they would last very long?
to be able to do any damage so to speak, a careful masquarade would need to be maintained of being a loyal jw while stying to stir things up.. now, think of how anyone opposed to us 'opposers' would behave here .... would they announce that they are jws and they they were going to "set us all straight" ... or would they pretend to be an apostate ... pretend to 'help with the cause' but try and do more harm than good?.
I’ve thought along similar lines, Simon. My question and musings are, How far would a WT operative go with subterfuge to establish that he is an authentic apostate poster?
Decades ago, Jerry Rubin, in his book Rebel Without Cause gave advice on how to gain the confidence of some rebel cause. One of the things was that if they were pushing some drugs, marihuana, LSD, even heroin you went along with it and showed you were in the same league.
Sometime ago, there were news reports of Communist China, placing sleepers in US organisations that remain quiet for years until something came up that required their services. Similarly, Ben Ladin, placed sleepers around the world operating clandestinely until the right moment arrived.
Are there WT sleepers on this Forum, who lay quiet or advise the [i]storming of the barricades[/b] to a ridiculous degree and then when the appropriate occasion arises direct the course of events to WT advantage?
My thoughts, based mostly on intuition, is that certain posters on this board have access to WT service department records, and can bring up information to establish credibility. They may know of events that took place years ago and refer to published news articles to bring the information to the fore, but these stories only bring up forgotten stories that do no harm to present day WT situations.
Then when a subject like the WT involvement with the UN arises, they provide information to misdirect traffic and lead the hounds off into a false direction.
So how far would an operative go to establish a false misleading identity? Would he curse Jehovah under oath? It seems it is O.K to use any subterfuge possible in their books.
belbab, on the borderline of paranoia, perhaps?
my boss posted this question and i cannot find the answer...anyone know... what is the one sport where the observors and the participants do not know the leader or winner until it is over?
poker?
i have been out since december 22 1984, 17 years,i was 16 and never looked back!
and thats when apostacy was in the early stages and am now a full fledged member!.
beans
I woke up from a deep sleep in winter of 67/68. Took a couple of years to get my ball bearings rolling smoothly. I was marked about 1970, took them three years to find witnesses to charge me. They finally had to send moles to try and trick me, I gave them the information they wanted and was disfellowshipped for telling them they were saying, We sit a queen and will see no evil.
belbab
Refiner,
Please check your e-mail, Farkel has responded.
Belbab, glad to be of service.
WATCHTOWER COWS
DO from NY, goes on mission , delivers talk , using Bible verses, and printed material from Watchtower to farming communities around New York. Farmer is convinced after being promised life with out end and no hard work to turn over his farm and two cows over to WT Society.
Farmer gives over his farm house for a retreat for presidents of WT, and moves into one room for his quarters.
Farmer now works from dawn to dark year round for free and farms for WT under their supervision and feeds and milks theocratic cows, naturally inseminated from time to time. Farmer receives no milk. Milk is sent to headquarters in Brooklyn, is laced with saltpeter to diminish the sexual urges of workers there, who spend their time publishing more propaganda to encourage more farmers to donate cows to WT, to supply more milk for sexually inert workers who supply more propaganda to increase number of cows worldwide.
After decades, six million sacred cows, worldwide are giving their milk, motivated solely from promises that green luscious pastures are soon to be forthcoming in the immediate future.
This shows the great power of Jah who makes something out of nothing.
belbab .
i was told that gerrit losch was one of the nethinim before he became a gb member that means he was not of the annointed.
my source told me he felt he was annointed but did not partake from the emblems because of his wife who has the earthly hope.
but then he changed his mind and became a gb member.. is this true?
Regarding Albert Shroeder,
I went to Gilead School at South Lansing, in the winter of 59-60. Albert Shroeder was registrar and instructor. It was reported by some of the farm staff there that at one point Shroeder had stopped taking the emblems. Now somewhere along the line he must have started again.
So now we have off again on again members of the anointed.
Jesus Christ never went around saying he was the Anointed (The Christ). In fact he told his apostles not to tell any one who he was at one point. If you proclaim yourself as one of the special anointed, then you are not. If you do not proclaim it you may be. IMO.
belbab
i was told that gerrit losch was one of the nethinim before he became a gb member that means he was not of the annointed.
my source told me he felt he was annointed but did not partake from the emblems because of his wife who has the earthly hope.
but then he changed his mind and became a gb member.. is this true?
I believe all the governing body are so-called anointed . I knew David Splane thirty years ago. He was one of the circuit servants that had a hunting license to hunt down apostates in Quebec, and I was one of them.
Last August I posted some information about him on this board:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10619&site=3
Reading this thread about Nethinim seems to indicate that the governing body are all anointed ones. In addition to them are others, the helpers, who are assigned to different committees. Given the number of committees it seems the number of helpers must be greater than that of the gov body. Now, somewhere I read that David Splane was assigned as helper to the writing committee. Perhaps the new ones are considered helpers.
I too would like to know what two names are supposedly not of the anointed and are memberrs of the governing body.
belbab
could humans live forever on earth?.
since i was born i believed it was my destiny to live forever in a paradise on earth.. now that dream has been put aside, i question the whole concept of an everlasting earth.. of course scientists have long pointed out that the earth does not have an infinite life span.
and even if it did there are other factors to consider.
Everlasting life for any one individual is not promised in the Bible. It is a fantasy, wishful thinking, because we do not wish to face the enemy death.
Isa 40:6 A voice says, "Call out." Then he answered, "What shall I call out?" All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field.
Isa 40:7 The grass withers, the flower fades , When the breath of the LORD blows upon it; Surely the people are grass.
Isa 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades , But the word of our God stands forever
However what can survive the dissolution of our flesh is our genes, our flesh lives on in our offspring. More than that, our instincts can live on and if you can believe it, memories can if you want to discover them.
belbab
g'day squigles;.
just a thought i had earlier tday, jesus had a ministry lasted about 3 years yeh.
well i wonder why he didnt live out the normal 60 year life cycle.
The night before he was captured, he prayed: Father if it be your will, let this cup pass away from me. He would have loved to stick around. His opposers, his Satans, made sure he didn't stick around.
To destroy the enemy death he had to go through death.
One Jesus died, twelve others stood up in his place. He lived on in his apostles and thousands who came after.
belbab
