in compliance with the terms of a settlement agreement, my information and research web site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca, is now "dark".
the domain "watchtower.ca" has been transferred to wts (i assume they will have it pointing to borg.org watchtower.org asap).
my copies of the site have been destroyed, the files deleted, and my wt library cd has been destroyed, in accordance with the settlement agreement which will afford a "discontinuance" of their suit against me.
Quotes,
You sowed a seed
Your site blossomed
like a dandelion,
it expanded into a globe of many seeds
The Fools
They plucked it up and blew on it.
and many, many seeds are floating on the wind
circling the globe.
Who knows
in what crevasses, what fields, what mountains
even their own manicured lawns
the seeds will sprout
and the endless cycle
will repeat again and again.
belbab
desperation.
the evidence mounted that your faith which you mistakenly built upon men, your entire spirituality, your life, was standing precariously high upon the wobbling foundation of an artfully contrived fraud.
remember the quiet desperation?
Eventually the pain of living this miserable life becomes greater than the anticipated pain of being true to yourself. So you do it. You speak out, you blow your cover, shed the layers of actors makeup and emerge naked as the "bastard".
Jst2Laws,
I see that you too, are a graduate from the Academy of Desperation and Desolation .
Back to exactly to one half of my life, back to the winter of seven years before 1975, the winter the severity of which had not been seen since seven years before 1914, I was living alone in a comfortable country cottage. For quite some days all I could do was lay on my bed with my face towards the wall and everything was black, black, black. Out of that vacant thoughtless darkness, the unsolicited thought arose, you are not totally at fault for the state you are in. At that point a flood of information overwhelmed my mind. The conviction came that I had been enslaved under the commandment of Pharoah: make more bricks, make more bricks and find your own god-damn straw.
Eventually I was led to speak out, you blow your cover.
The words from the quote above, naked as a bastard, remind me of another text from Ezechiel that went through my mind at that period of my life. Although the text refers to Jerusalem, the collective, I could identify with it.
When you were born, no one cared about you. Your umbilical cord was left uncut, and you were never washed, rubbed with salt, and dressed in warm clothing.
No one had the slightest interest in you; no one pitied you or cared for you. On the day you were born, you were dumped in a field and left to die, unwanted
"But I came by and saw you there, helplessly kicking about in your own blood. As you lay there, I said, `Live!'
And I helped you to thrive like a plant in the field. Ezekiel 16:4-7
Alone, Alone, tell me about it. After I started to speak out, I was marked and hounded, pursued, and questioned. The circuit servants at that time had a bounty on my head. David Splane was one of them. Finally in a sting operation, I voluntarily gave the sting operaters the grounds to boot me out.
Thrown out in the field, as a newborn along with “mothers” afterbirth. For me the afterbirth was the mind set of the organization that that threw me out in the field to die there was still traces of this mindset still clinging to me for a certain time until finally I became cleansed from it.
And I helped you to thrive like a plant in the field. After two years of loneliness, a friend, a dear friend, who had told me at one time that when I got disfellowshipped, (which was a certaintiy), she would not be able to communicate with me, wrote me a letter and since then we’ve made a life together along with our two stalwart sons who are now in their twenties.
My wife during years of our isolation, from her family and friends, questioned me often, where are the many who have been promised to those who left family and friends for His name?
They have arrived, the overwhelming and surprising evidence is displayed on this forum,
Belbab, with gratitude.
if you were to ask any witness whether or not the blood doctrine is scripturally or medically based, you would receive the same answer 100% of the time.
"scripturally, of course.
there is one component in particular which shows the wts uses medically based information to cement its postion on what is and what is not allowed for a witness to accept.
Here is the web site I referred to in my previous post.
http://gwest59.tripod.com/ChristIsLord/id26.html
Read this and have in mind their teachings on blood prohibition as you read.
Belbab
if you were to ask any witness whether or not the blood doctrine is scripturally or medically based, you would receive the same answer 100% of the time.
"scripturally, of course.
there is one component in particular which shows the wts uses medically based information to cement its postion on what is and what is not allowed for a witness to accept.
I have come to a conclusion to the question:
Why has the Watchtower entered into the secular medical field to establish their blood doctrine?
The reason why is that they cannot convincingly prove that the Bible prohibits blood transfusions as all your above comments show.
So to bolster their inadequate arguments for blood-ban they turn to secular medical data, but even there they can only support their position by misrepresentation and do not even add a disclaimer.
Furthermore, they endeavour to establish their freedom of religion to include the teaching of lies. For example, Jaratsz in Panorama program says we do not go beyond what is written and that two witnesses are required to prove wrongdoing. This is a Biblical Lie. The Bible does allow one human witness and the second witness which is God himself. It is the same with the blood doctrine, they know the truth of what the Bible says, but they maintain and teach lies because they are caught in a dilemma, or that if they switched to the truth they would stumble the weak ones etc.
I believe that it was in the Walsh court case in Scotland in the days of Covington where they tried to introduce the argument that even if they teach lies, freedom of religion allows it. I am searching for the transcript of that case. If anyone reading this knows where it can be found, I would appreciate it if you could post the location.
I am convinced that secular teachings can be separated from religious teachings. I am convinced that the Kerry document has merit and for my part my determination is to establish that merit, if not in the courts then in the court of public opinion.
belbab, going for the jugular.
dusting off a memory
satisfied and tired.
grass stains raking.
Auld Soul,
Your poem reminds me of an ancient Chinese poem, I've tried to find it, but not succeeded.
The first line went something like this,
Fallen leaves against the door sill
Ah, no sound.....
The meaning was, that the sweeper of the leaves was missing, gone, and the melencholy mate left behind was mourning his loss.
belbab
where on earth is hilary step?
he has posted just once in 6 months.
i miss his razor sharp intellect - and i hope he does not take offense but slightly arrogant air.
I saw him yesterday, briefly for a coffee break. He's minding the store. Tis the season. Gotta make a living you know. I'll tell him you all called and get back to ya. As Where is Hillary Step? in the larger scheme of things next time I'll ask him.
belbab
the society claims that certain components of blood will not violate conscience because they already pass naturally between mother and fetus.
(funny how they tell me what violates my conscience, but that is another story) anyways, here is their reasoning:.
watchtower of june 1, 1990, pages 30 & 31 .
I have a quick unresearched question.
If red cells and other blood components pass from mother to placenta are their blood types the same?
If they are the same and later after the baby is born or even grows up, there is an accident and the offspring needs a blood transfusion, why would it not feasible for the mother to donate blood to save her offsprings life.?
If it is a natural function during pregnancy, why would it be against God's law after pregnancy?
belbab
has this been posted before, if so i have never seen it.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw168.html.
also i never ever knew this site existed either, it has a wealth of information.
Has this been posted before, if so I have never seen it.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw168.html
Also I never ever knew this site existed either, it has a wealth of information.
belbab
i was googling and this information came up in a trinity argument.
since the quotes are all from wt literature and the trinity argument did not give any reference all that is required is to look up the original wt source:.
the watchtowers dishonesty.
I was googling and this information came up in a trinity argument. Since the quotes are all from WT literature and the trinity argument did not give any reference all that is required is to look up the original WT source:
The Watchtower’s Dishonesty
The WT does not keep it’s own advice as given in the following recitations: “Be very careful to be accurate in all statements you make. Use evidence honestly. In quotations, do not twist the meaning of a writer or speaker or use only partial quotations to give a different thought than the person intended. (Qualified to be Ministers, p 199)”; “Jehovah’s Witnesses are an organization of truth. We should want to speak the truth and be absolutely accurate in every detail at all times. This should be so not only as regards doctrine but also in our quotations. (Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook, p 110)”; “A word of caution. All evidence must be used honestly. Do not take a quotation out of context. Make certain that what you say is exactly what the authority you are quoting had in mind to say. (Ibid. p 155).” (Emphasis added).
belbab
the only way the 'big news' can work, in that it causes the r and f to stop and think and the wtbts to begin to crumble, is that it is tested in court....but not only with the jws medical mis representation but through their 'biblical doctrine' misrepresentation and then, only by using their own bible, the nwt.
jws do not refuse blood because of the blood booklet but because of the apparant prohibition of blood in the bible.
there are many esteemed biblical scholars who would be able to beat the crap out of the wtbts doctrinal view on blood.
Gill, I agree with you.
Ted Jarasz decending from a platform after a talk tells the reporter We do not go beyond what is written. That is a the Big Lie and it needs to be exposed. He holds to the premise that at the mouth of two or three witnesses guilt or innocence is to be established.
I have posted elsewhere that his premise is a lie. The Bible does give incidences where one human witness, corroborated with a second witness, that is God, establish the guilt of a wrong doer.
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, needs to be reproved before all onlookers. That includes Joe Blow Public, the Courts of all lands, the courts of reality itself, and the onlookers within their own organization.
belbab, on looking with a vengeance.
