While I vote conservative, there is a need for a certain amount of "socialism" or social responsibility. Without this, the poor and less advantaged become disenfranchised from society and extreme wealth is concentrated with just a few people which can lead to corruption and more suffering for the normal workers who rely on the system being honest for their retirement etc ...This is exactly what is happening in the USA today.
Well y'all better sit down for this....I happen to agree somewhat with Simon on that point. I really don't know any conservatives who would disagree with you on that. Where they (the conservatives) and I (as a Libertarian) do take issue is the fact that what started out as "social safety nets" with noble purposes have turned into redistribution of wealth at gunpoint.
When people realize that they can vote themselves a free paycheck, and politicians realize that they can buy votes via government checks, well we've got a problem. Those who do try to change it are going to be the villains. But what country can survive and prosper under ever-increasing redistribution of wealth?
Isn't the whole problem though that people decide whether they want to support something or not based on who has suggested it and the political part involved rather than on the strengths or weaknesses of the act itself?
Not the whole problem, but a large part of it. There's a lot of people out there who oppose the war on terror (World War IV) for no other reason than their hatred of President Bush. And then of course you've got the "blame America" crowd. Oh yeah, it's all our fault that those noble freedom fighters used civilian airliners to destroy civilian buildings. After 8 years of Clinton, the evildoers who directed the attacks expected a quickie public relations show in response, maybe another aspirin factory would get clobbered with a few Tomahawks. What they got was exactly what they didn't expect and certainly didn't want. The full wrath of the U.S. military, led by a patriotic "U.S. first" conservative. I don't follow Bush blindly and don't agree with him on everything, but I'd rather have him in office at this time in our history than Al Gore or any other liberal.
Mike.
p.s. Careful there Simon, if we start agreeing you may get your posting limits reduced!