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  Field Service is a Farce

  by swiftbreeze in

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  2. beliefs

  i touch on this subject in another post but i felt the need to take it further...back in the day jw's went out in fs but i don't know about today.... i live in a big city....the territory my congregation has is small because there are so many cong.

  here.. our bookstudy only had maybe four blocks at the most to work.

  my ex husband and i would go to the meetings and hear talk about fs and all the wonderful and experiences and the joy oh joy in being out in the ministry.

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  wiegel

  sounds like it might be time for people to start putting themselves on the "do not call" list ( https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx ).

  30. Are calls from political organizations or calls soliciting for charities covered?

  Political solicitations are not covered by the TSR at all, since they are not included in its definition of ?telemarketing.? Charities are not covered by the requirements of the national registry. However, if a third-party telemarketer is calling on behalf of a charity, a consumer may ask not to receive any more calls from, or on behalf of, that specific charity. If a third-party telemarketer calls again on behalf of that charity, the telemarketer may be subject to a fine of up to $11,000.

  $11,000 might hit them where they live. Fair is fair. Let's do things in accordance with the law of the land. how many will show up for "phone witnessing" (aka coffee and donuts and gossip session) and actually call someone after the first ding? i will think about that for a while...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  trudy
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  i have to hate them

  by joelbear in

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  2. friends

  hopefully i've given something to someone here over the years.

  i know i've taken plenty.. i had to come here, the only place where i can say what i have on my mind and know that people will understand.. i took an overdose of medication on monday.

  my long battle with anxiety and depression that is well chronicled on these pages got the best of me once again.

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  wiegel

  Joel - I am so sorry to hear about your rough times. Please take care of yourself and know that you are loved - you can PM me any time, I DO KNOW what you are going through, as do many of those on this board. We are your friends and we are here for you. You won't be shunned or kicked to the curb here just because you're livin' life. Hang in there!!!

  trudy
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  Governing Body claims title to Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls

  by garybuss in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  governing body claims title to kingdom halls and assembly halls.

  i'm told this is what the new "organized" book says about real estate on page 16: "what then are the "belongings"?

  these are all the spiritual assets on earth that have become christ's property in connection with his authority as heavenly king.

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  wiegel

  I guess I never studied enough - I ALWAYS thought the "belongings" were the spiritual activities, the preaching work, bible students, publishers, all of the "works". Wonder why they bother having special contribution boxes - ie "local needs", "WWW", etc. Seems that they just take it all and do whatever suits their investments best. What a dope I was. If I were still a witness today and I found out that our hall ($500,000 mortgage plus interest) went to the society after it was paid for, I would have another bone to pick with them. Why borrow from them? Once they own it, do they then "rent" it back to the congregation? Fleece, fleece, fleece - lots of cold and naked sheep - hmmm, must be their own fault.

  trudy
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  Service Meeting Week Starting May 9, 2005

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  song 217.

  10 min: local announcements.

  selected announcements from our km.

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  wiegel

  semantics issue - they really need to define "family" - those related to you who are also witnesses is what they mean, and only what they mean.

  Invite audience to comment on how they keep other activities from interfering iwth congregation meetings.

  they certainly don't mean your actual fleshly relatives, because they make no allowance for caring for them. one elder who had served as a CO for many years told me in confidence (when i was on the water slide out of the borg) that he had been screwed by the big guys. he was serving in area near his aging parents. asked if he could stay there for his next assignment to continue to care for them. they said, go where we tell you or youre out. he opted out and lost any/all financial benefits due him for his "service" because he was 2 years away from age requirement (not sure what the bennies are, but some financial assistance like retirement). now, what the f* kinda love is that??? and him? oh, he is still pioneering and going to school and starting a new business and heading for a heart attack because he can't let go. or as he said: "If I stop pioneering, I would be saying that my whole life has been a lie."

  This was soon after 911, and I told him "you are a suicide-pioneer", be careful. amen

  family, schmamily.

  trudy
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  CO's talk: "Those who leave the truth say they've never been happier"

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  yep, it's true.

  while giving his usual spiel about how true christians should struggle, he says that some of those who have left the truth, say they never felt better.. .

  the answer: "they don't have to stuggle anymore.".

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  wiegel

  the pot is boiling down. the only ones who can possibly remain are:

  1. mentally ill, can't help it
  2. elderly with no other social connections, no other choice
  3. the "trapped" ones, who don't want to lose their family ties
  4. the bullies who love herding them all around

  that is how i see it, and I know people in each situation. can't think of a witness i know who isn't in one of those classes, my family included. sad.

  trudy
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  Did You Ever Think The "End" Was Going To Happen In Your Lifetime"?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although i was considered an exemplary jw, i never really could see it happening.

  still don't.

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  wiegel

  nope, not after 1975, that did it for me, just figured they would get the "right' light eventually - didn't push ahead with my own "revelation" - what a dumb ass.

  trudy
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  A disturbing phone call

  by jaffacake in

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  2. friends

  i took a call from my best friends son tonight.

  i am his godfather and watched him grow but i am his dads friend (calls me uncle) and thats the first time he ever phoned me.

  he has just been offered a job where i work.

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  wiegel

  seems to me i remember hearing the scripture A LOT about how jehovah does not forget the good that you have done in his name (always applied to the field service). how they differ from their god - use you up and kick you to the curb - all the while holding david the fallen one up as an example of great faith. no wonder i started to lose my mind...holy crap....none of it makes any sense. they are disturbingly cruel - and yes i am one of those who was kind to disfellowshipped people. having been there myself i knew the horror of it -

  they are a 6 million person judge and jury show - so clear now - oh so clear -

  trudy
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  What were your reasons for not liking the ministry school?

  by LongHairGal in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i dropped out years ago because i couldn't stand getting together with sisters i didn't like to do a talk.

  i hated it with a passion!!

  i do realize that you did learn but what i resented was that the sisters were inflicted on each other in a way that i don't think the brothers were.

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  I always thought that we should have been taught some "critical thinking", like what if the f'n householder didn't agree with you after 3 minutes of pablum? what then? wanted more conflict and conflict resolution - kind of like the REAL world. oh well, i always cancelled last minute due to anxiety over presenting my newest mini-drama - all hogwash and demeaning to the women who had a more difficult assignment in my mind. would have taken a bible "reading" any day - wtf??????

  trudy
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  anyone here from Reno NV?

  by avishai in

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  wiegel

  I guess it looks like I might live there, I mean since I am a member of the Reno Police Dept, but it's just an avatar's dream.

  Trudy
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  Note from Companies house re the breakdown of WTBS in the UK

  by Jim Dee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  note from companies house re the breakdown of wtbs in the uk

  watch tower house the ridgeway

  watch tower house the ridgeway

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  wiegel

  rebel8 - i read it the same way you did - hehehehe!

  trudy