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  If the WTS was totally discredited in the eyes of the JWs

  by greendawn in

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  if a really big scandal happened in the wts and the r&f realised that the organisation is the big con that it is, how do you think they would react?

  empty kingdom halls?

  divided families re united?

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  They only know what they're told to know.
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  Misinformation in CoC

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello everyone, i know that many here like me have read ray's book crisis of consience, i was very impressed with it, it helped open my eyes to the hypocrisy and double standards of the wts, and ray gave me the impresion of being a very loving and kind man, not the demonized apostate we were all lead to believe.

  but, i noticed something that wasn't quite correct when i was reading the part that spoke of then brother rene vazquez, he makes it seem like all rene did was have private conversations with ray and nothing else, this is not true, i for a fact know that this was not all that happened.

  in a ms meeting on tuesday back in 1980, rene was conducting a part and he went up to the stage with only his bible, he started saying that all we needed was the bible, that we would no longer be using other publications by the wts .

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  Also, as wrong as the WTS often is, they are not always wrong.

  No...just most of the time.
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  If the WTS was totally discredited in the eyes of the JWs

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a really big scandal happened in the wts and the r&f realised that the organisation is the big con that it is, how do you think they would react?

  empty kingdom halls?

  divided families re united?

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  Guess the UN/NGO affair wasn't a big enough scandal. Maybe if the GB pulled a 'full monty" on the sidewalk in front of HQ? Then again, the dubs might just say the ol' poops had a "senior" moment.
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  making 1914 crumble

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yet another 1914 thread?

  there are plenty of threads already about chronology, babylonian kings, egyptian kings, median and persian kings, there is also lots of information available about old bible-students and jw literature.

  even a simplified chronology including "fallen baby" and "evil duck" is available somewhere on this site.

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  Very interesting too that one of my all time favourite society books was 'Commentary on the letter of James' and if I was down I used to get it out to study.. now I find the brother that wrote it was disfellowshipped for apostasy!!

  
  

  
  One of the many publications that have been twisted and tweaked. Originally written prinicipally by Ed Dunlap, it was later "revised" by certain GB members who objected to certain passages in the book. Incidentally, according to Ray Franz, hundreds of thousands of these "original" Commentary books were printed and then destroyed before getting into the hands of most R&F JWs. Versions appearing after these "originals" were the "revised" editions.

  Take note, also, of a substantial change in the wording of a crucial sentence in the January 1, 1989 Watchtower on page 12. In the SINGLE COPY issue, the last sentence of the paragraph relating the apostle Paul's preaching activity reads, "He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our twentieth century." Notice how the same sentence reads in the January 1, 1989 BOUND VOLUME, "He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day." A small (only a couple of words) but certainly significant change.

  This has continued on, unabated, from the time of Russell. Greendawn expressed it best:

  Poppy after you carefully study some WTS texts you will see how calculated, manipulative and cunningly formulated everything is in their writings. A lot of subtle deception.
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  Were the "Pioneers" in your hall treated with favoritism by the Elders?

  by booker-t in

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  2. friends

  it seems that all of the parts on the theocratic ministry school were given by the pioneers in my old hall.

  also the elders were always complemented on how "sister pioneer" is so zealous and loves jehovah.

  as if sister not pioneering hated jehovah.

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  PO: "...by holy spirit. but we need to ask you, do you have a problem with masturbation?"

  TS, for future reference...holy spirit can't see under the blankets.
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  Well today is the day

  by outoftheorg in

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  2. medical

  today at 3 pm i will take donna to the hospital for her examination.she is putting up a good front but i can tell that she is really scared about the possible outcome.. being a nurse for years, one gathers up a lot of knowledge and she does know a lot about the body and its failures.. she is scared and i am terrified.

  her three sons and family will be there also.

  so i won't be alone.. my few children in this area are still jw's and do not give a crap about me or donna being ill.. so they won't be there.

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  Hope things go well. Don't forget about second opinions, too.
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  2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and then what?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in just a few weeks, this year will end and a new one begins.

  nothing special, just 2006.. but when you analyse the jw doctrine, it is another nail in their already 91 nail studded coffin.

  the watchtower has for decades taught that jesus' presence and rulership began in 1914. since changing the generation of 1914 doctrine, a whole decade has passed, with little in the way of anything new.

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  Gerard:

  Notice the words at the bottom of the article...Published in 1993. Ya gotta read the fine print. Why would they still post the article? As a hook. While they're reelin' you in, they start tellin' you about the "new light" on the 1914 generation.
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  making 1914 crumble

  by googlemagoogle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yet another 1914 thread?

  there are plenty of threads already about chronology, babylonian kings, egyptian kings, median and persian kings, there is also lots of information available about old bible-students and jw literature.

  even a simplified chronology including "fallen baby" and "evil duck" is available somewhere on this site.

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  I was under the immpression they were led by Jehovahs spirit......not research.

  They were led by Jehovah's spirit...Jehovah's spirit directed them to research it.
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  I gave the PO a letter tonight

  by fullofdoubtnow in

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  2. friends

  tonight was the school/service meeting at the kh, and myself and dedpoet drove there at the end of the meeting to see the po.

  we didn't go in the hall, we just waited outside the gates for the po to come out, then i handed him my letter, saying it was to get things over with and save the necessity of a jc.

  he didn't ask what it was, i think he knew, especially when he saw dp give me the thumbs up sign, but asked me to reconsider, but i said my mind is made up, i am leaving, and i want it out in the open as soon as possible.

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  So let the shunning begin, I am OUT of the borg!

  You won't be shunned here.

  BTW, congratulations! Now the ball & chain is off!
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  Is there a complete list of WT books anywhere?

  by kwintestal in

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  2. bible

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  i was just thinking, and wondering if there was a complete list of books that the wt/bible students have published right from day one until today?

  i haven't seen one to date, and thought it would be a neat project.. kwin

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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Comprehensive and Selectively Annotated Bibliography by Jerry Bergman