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  WT celebrates the birthday of the World Health Organization and NGOs

  by Dogpatch in

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  celebrating a birthday with who!

  jehovah's witnesses participated in celebrating the birthday of world health day 2000, with representatives of the world health organization, ngos, and other high ranking government officials.

  what is world health day?

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  I wish they were Associate members of every political organization out there.

  John 18:36 --- "My kingdom is no part of this world."

  John 17:16 --- "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."

  The following excerpt is from the True Peace and Security book (1986), page 123: So, to be among those hoping to survive when that Kingdom comes against all of its opponents, we need to recognize the hard fact that Satan dominates this world and its systems. That includes its political arrangements such as the United Nations. We need to keep free from all of these by our firm stand for Jehovah's righteous government by Christ Jesus. Matthew 6:10, 24, 31-33.
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  Need a rebutal to elders!!!!!!!!!

  by beaches in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me preface this by saying i wanted to fade quietly........ i went to the mall and my husband called me on my cell to let me know 2 elders had stopped by (sun after mtg).

  he told them that we had some questions and were looking into things.

  they of course asked "like what kind of things".

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  Kaput

  Using for example many of the scritpures and logical reasonings in "In Search of Christian Freedom" by Ray Franz will allways give you the appearance of someone who is in search of Bible truth, rather than somebody looking for an excuse. Whether you are really interested in the Bible is you own decision, but I feel that by using it wisely and with skill you will allways have the upper hand over the Elders.

  drew:

  Uhhhhhh...been there, done that. You never get the upper hand over the elders. Up until the early 80's, you could intelligently discuss scripture....but up to a point. Now you cannot discuss scripture unless it falls within the parameters established by the Society. For example, you gave Matthew 20:1-16 as an example of a scripture you might be "concerned about" with the accompanying question, "How then is it that only people born before a certain date will go to heaven?"

  If you asked an elder that question 25 years ago, he would tell you to do some research in the Society's publications, and if you still weren't satisfied with the results, then you could write to Bethel directly and ask them. If you ask an elder that question NOW (and you're no longer a newbie JW), you will be put on a short list of people in need of watching (maybe a long list depending on the amount of dissonance in the congregation). Merely by asking that question invites closer scrutiny because you are still expressing concern, albeit scripturally, about a MAJOR doctrine of the JW's --- the 2 classes of individuals in the organization (anointed and other sheep) and the "carved in stone" date (1935) marking the time of their distinction. If the elders are "nice" about it, they'll "kindly" direct you to Chapter 97 of The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" book for the "proper" application of that scriptural text.

  As the October 1, 1994 Watchtower states at the bottom of page 8, "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave. ---John 6:68."
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  Need a rebutal to elders!!!!!!!!!

  by beaches in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me preface this by saying i wanted to fade quietly........ i went to the mall and my husband called me on my cell to let me know 2 elders had stopped by (sun after mtg).

  he told them that we had some questions and were looking into things.

  they of course asked "like what kind of things".

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  Kaput

  A scriptural discussion isn't going to cut it. Hit 'em hard with the info in their own publications, and stick with just a couple of issues you're concerned about. This could be your swan song so prepare yourselves, and don't expect to knock the elders out of their "race for life" with your newly found "truth". These guys are elders because they've been brainwashed more than the R&F. An example of this is found on page 345 of Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz where he tells of a Circuit Assembly meeting for elders: The District Overseer, Bart Thompson, held up a Society publication that had a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders, "If the Society told me that this book is black instead of green, I would say, 'Y'know I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society says it's black then it's black!'" They're willing to carry out the dictates of their Brooklyn overlords to the death...not theirs...yours. Get ready to say "bye-bye" to the Borg.
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  A question on " 1975 "

  by The in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was reading some of the first " topics " on this db and i noticed that a few former elders and publishers .

  were stumbled by this date.... i was born after 1975 and i'd really appreciate any comments from brothers and sisters who were around .

  what i've noticed from personal experience is that many brothers and sisters feel that only " a few " were stumbeled .

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  Kaput

  The hard thing is ... that i don't know what are the real motives of some here..

  Why don't you call Bethel and ask Ted Jaracz what the real motives were behind the big hoopla in the late 60's and early 70's about the end of 6,000 years since man's creation and now we don't hear squat.
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  A question on " 1975 "

  by The in

  1. jw
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  i was reading some of the first " topics " on this db and i noticed that a few former elders and publishers .

  were stumbled by this date.... i was born after 1975 and i'd really appreciate any comments from brothers and sisters who were around .

  what i've noticed from personal experience is that many brothers and sisters feel that only " a few " were stumbeled .

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  A question on " 1975 "

  by The in

  1. jw
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  i was reading some of the first " topics " on this db and i noticed that a few former elders and publishers .

  were stumbled by this date.... i was born after 1975 and i'd really appreciate any comments from brothers and sisters who were around .

  what i've noticed from personal experience is that many brothers and sisters feel that only " a few " were stumbeled .

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  Kaput

  unclebruce (or anyone else who knows) --- which publication is that pic from?
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  I can't understand why they would bring this much money?

  by Gary1914 in

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  i just noticed that the bound volumes of the watchtower and awake magazines for the year 2004 are now up to $80.00 and $70.00, respectively.

  the beginning bid was $8.00.

  why would these bound volumes be going for so much?

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  I think the WT's got a picture of "da Judge" with his "buddy" Jack Daniels, and the Awake shows an interior pic of the UN Kingdom Hall.
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  Calling all activists

  by LennyinBluemont in

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  hi, boys and girls!

  and all you wicked, naughty apostates out there!

  have been lurking for several weeks and posted once on freewilly's excellent thread about witnessing for newbies.

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  Kaput

  I don't know if public demonstrating is the way to go. It hasn't seemed to generate a mass exodus of JW's from the Borg as far as I can tell. Considering the mindset of the R&F JW, I would think that a more non-confrontational approach would work better. After all, weren't we taught to walk by the picketing apostates outside our assemblies with up-turned noses and blocked ears? I think informational discussions/seminars at bookstores, colleges, etc. on a local level which are advertised in the media, as well as a hot-line set up specifically to allow for anonymous inquiries, would at least provide an approach more amenable to the inquisitive JW. In addition, links to various informational websites can be posted on handouts/mailouts (excluding the WBTS website, naturally). Just my 2 cents.
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  Another Martyr on the Watchtower alter........

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  every so often, i think, perhaps i'm starting to let go of any interest in the wtbts and what it's poor deluded followers continue to do, or to suffer because of their misguided interpretation of the bible and, well....life in general.

  however, my mum called me the other evening to tell me about a former jw 'friend'.

  she is 48 and has just been diagnosed with a blood cancer.

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  But with die hard JWs it is impossible to reason. What do you think of tactics?

  Send 'em to alternative therapy. The body's ph has to be almost 8 to work against the cancer. http://w3.bluegrass.net/%7Ejclark/alkaline_foods.htm
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  A Babe in the Woods ~ Mormons meet Sue

  by unclebruce in

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  several weeks ago i posted about a client of mine named sue.

  well today i was back at her place completing all the cold water and sanitary plumbing to the railway carriage.

  while i was there sue came running out several times with more questions about the bible and i was able to help her with information about the old books origins the sumerian epics, egyptian military code, persian dualism, torah, hebrew, nazarite / aramaic, paulian greek, catholic latin leading to the modern english translations we are so blessed with today.

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  Kaput

  Hey unclebruce! Is that a pic of your place?