Good post and good thread. I enjoyed it, especially after having come back from hearing the Circuit Overhypocrite drone on about orgaizational garbage. A real pick me up...
biblexaminer
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What Would I Have Done?
by Frenchy inin reading the gospels about jesus ministry i cannot help but be moved by his message and manner and i know i am not alone in feeling like this.
i marvel, smile, and slowly shake my head as i read about the miracles that he performed and have, at one time or other, wished that i could have been there to witness those marvels and to hear his voice.
perhaps like many others i have also wondered at those people who heard him and yet walked away.
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Sat. Assembly Report
by abbagail inthis was posted at silentlambs over the weekend by the mole, a regular supporter/poster at sl.. fyi .
grits.
"the mole...............hello , to report from saturday's session from the san francisco assembly.
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Hey MOUTHY... you were at Kitchener...HEhEHhe... so was I. But I stayed for the entire thing.
You missed a sight. You must know dear Br. Wayne Johnson. Well, he was sitting in plain view on Sunday, just 10 minutes into the Public Talk and 10 feet from Br. Walker, and he dozed off. He was headed to the floor and would surely have smacked his head on the table on the way to the floor.
But he caught himself. Then he shuffled some papers. Acted as if nobody saw. I was roaring.
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Calgary Blood Case Effectively Over - We Won!
by AlanF inthought everyone would like to hear some great news about the calgary blood case.
i was sent the following, which i've modified to protect the guilty:.
at the witnesses' request, the trial has been put over till october.
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Yes, GREAT work everyone. And if someone can tell me more about Gregg Stafford...
I am very interested in reading his book. I am going to look it up.
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Too much bad language, sex & pics
by Simon inplease can everyone think twice before they make posts containing bad language (even if not directed at individuals), graphic sex talk and nude or semi-nude pictures (especially if explicit).
this is not what the forum is here for.
if you want to post stuff like that then there are lots of places on the internet for it and, more importantly, if people want to see and read stuff like that then they are quite capable of going to these places themselves.. i know everyone likes to 'let their hair down' now and again, me included, and i like pictures of sexy women as much as anyone .
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biblexaminer
You know, when I look around the hall and see my "brothers", I see mostly a bunch of people who, without the WTS mind control, would otherwise be defunct in a spiritual sense.
Devoid of faith, devoid of integrity, devoid of fellow feeling and charity.
To see so many who, after peeking behind the curtain in OZ, leave not only the BORG, but also any sense of decency, of concern for others.
I don't like most who are IN, and unfortunately, I don't like most who are OUT.
People are people ...are people. When the BORG implants are removed from most, they lose all sense. They could care less if smutting up this site ruins chances of helping others break free. The penis leads the pack.
What an attitude "I could care less for helping others break free, I want porn, porn, porn." and "I want porn everywhere, porn sites are not enough, I want it to be here, there and everywhere."
All the porn kings here are just as braindead now when OUT of the Borg, as they were when they were IN. Sad.
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Watchtower blunders on its website.
by biblexaminer inmonique was nine years old when he started abusing her.
he began by spying on her as she undressed; then he started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts.
when she resisted him, he was furious.
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You are correct. The WTS only offers "reconciliation". They want everyone to make nice and smile for the camera.
It is hard to smile for the camera when an elder has a broomstick up your arse.
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Watchtower blunders on its website.
by biblexaminer inmonique was nine years old when he started abusing her.
he began by spying on her as she undressed; then he started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts.
when she resisted him, he was furious.
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biblexaminer
The Washtower Fable and Act Impropriety will disfellowship anyone who gets in their way. They will toss you out like yesterday's garbage.
All you ahve to do is KNOW something about their evil and if they are aware that you know, you become the enemy.
Theirs is coming.
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Watchtower blunders on its website.
by biblexaminer inmonique was nine years old when he started abusing her.
he began by spying on her as she undressed; then he started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts.
when she resisted him, he was furious.
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biblexaminer
The tower will never acknowledge the real problem. They are just a bunch of self-glorifying hypocrites, and 'molested children' are just an obstacle to overcome in their pursuit of glory.
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Watchtower blunders on its website.
by biblexaminer inmonique was nine years old when he started abusing her.
he began by spying on her as she undressed; then he started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts.
when she resisted him, he was furious.
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Monique was nine years old when he started abusing her. He began by spying on her as she undressed; then he started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts. When she resisted him, he was furious. Once he even attacked her with a hammer and threw her down a flight of stairs. "No one would believe me," Monique recalls—not even her mother. The abuser was Monique's stepfather.
Thus begins the web page article on the Official website of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, at this address. http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_03.htm
Does the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society really care about the welfare of children? Or are they more concerned about the image presented by their very large, very lawyerly Corporation? ...And of course, the money that it is capable of generating.
From the Watchtower, by the above link, we find a discussion about child molestation and the Watchtower’s advice concerning the way it encourages solution and handling.
The page begins with the opening quotation above in a box.It is an incredible blunder on the part of the Watchtower for them to have this page on their site, because it actually supports the position of Silent Lambs. How fitting that the Watchtower herself should highlight the pain caused by their policy on reporting this evil.
While child molestation is wrong and grieves us, the act itself described here is not the worst thing read in this account. The most objectionable thing is the travesty, that after it occurred, NOBODY would believe the victim!
It is a terrible thing that children are molested. It’s a difficult world we live in that finds us confronting this evil. But the world also has many other evils. Murder. We hear about it everyday, and sometimes its children, perhaps killed in a drive by shooting. This just recently happened in Detroit Michigan, where an eight-year-old girl died in her bed after a bullet pierced her home and killed her in her sleep.
But there is a deterrent to murder and a way to establish that it has occurred. What about child molestation? There needs to be a deterrent. The deterrent comes when there is a way to establish that it has occurred and a subsequent punishment for the criminal who committed this crime.
The poor girl described in the account at top, was most likely a Jehovah’s Witness. Her mother undoubtedly was also one, because she refused to believe her. And her molester was almost certainly a JW because he could not have avoided punishment so easily without the aid of Watchtower policy to shield him from the Law.
How is it that "No one would believe me," when “Monique” called for help?
If this occurred in a “worldly” home (other than Jehovah’s Witness) then almost certainly somebody would have listened. But, in a JW home, the Watchtower’s stated and applied policy is that there “MUST BE TWO WITNESSES”, or else, as far as the Watchtower’s legal department is concerned, the event NEVER HAPPENED.
Yes, the travesty outlined in the Watchtower’s story is NOT the molestation in itself, but rather the damage done by the applied LEGALISM of the Watchtower Society Inc. in keeping the victim silent!
If you go on to read the rest of what the Watchtower’s article offers, then you will note that the WTS offers NO ACTUAL HELP for the molestation victim, and only more pain on top of the original suffering, caused by Watchtower and their insane approach to this crime.What deterrent does the Watchtower offer? Below is another quote from the same web page.
“Similarly the Christian congregation today enforces strong laws against all forms of sexual abuse. Anyone who sexually abuses a child risks being disfellowshipped, put out of the congregation.”
Yes, “strong laws”,that are not much more than a “risk” of a slap on the wrist, temporarily being “put out of the congregation”. No guarantee even, just a risk, and as we know only a temporary risk. No mention of the LAW of the land. No mention of the penalty incurred when it is reported to the authorities, because it wouldn't be. Nobody would believe “Monique”, most especially Watchtower trained Jehovah's Witness elders!Strong laws indeed.
Regarding prevention, the Watchtower directs its attention, NOT at the offender, but rather at the victim, an innocent child. They rant on…
“Inculcating these laws means more than occasionally lecturing your children. It involves a regular give-and-take discussion. From time to time, both mother and father should reaffirm God's laws on incest and the loving reasons for these laws.”
Here they affirm only the victim’s role. “Buyer beware” is the clause of choice. The WTS’s legal department seems involved in writing their “new light” in these areas. It’s the “children” who need to be 'lectured to', …and beyond.Yes, according to the Watchtower legal department, “Monique” in the above Watchtower account needed “a regular give-and-take discussion”, so that when her “stepfather” “started visiting her room at night and touching her private parts", she would know what to do. Tell a JW elder of course, who would tell her she is not credible since she does not have two witnesses.
Oh, but wait, the account says…[I] “When she resisted him, he was furious. Once he even attacked her with a hammer and threw her down a flight of stairs.”
It seems that “Monique” didn’t know that being[I] “attacked… with a hammer” was wrong. She should have been lectured to. She should have spoken up.I am sure that after some attention is drawn to this web page by means of discussions like this, it will be removed or altered by Watchtower since, as David Semonian pointed out in his published words to WIRED, the Watchtower frequently comes to the "table of demons",(to quote the WTS view) to see what’s on the menu. Just a taste from time to time.
WIRED :
“But David Semonian, spokesman for the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, admitted the group sometimes looks at the website "when necessary." He also said it attempts to "readjust (the) thinking" of those who post material critical of the religion on the Web.”
Such blatant hypocrisy! May God have mercy on their stinking souls.biblexaminer[email protected]
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Did anyone else notice....
by DevonMcBride inwhile dateline was showing an assembly did anyone else see the woman sitting in the bleachers yawning?
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I was thinking of the fact that everyone viewed at that assembly is now an APOSTATE for appearing on Dateline.
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jws WILL turn in a pedo, .....if he's Catholic!
by biblexaminer indear brother elder, if my neighbor was molesting a child and i saw it, should i tell the police?
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elder: yes, absolutely.
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Where does the Bible offer "Scriptural support" for a double standard?
We all know how it works, don't we?
The same reason we are told to behave well at conventions and during the hotel stay. We wouldn't want to "bring reproach on Jehovah's name"...
Translation: We don't want the world to see us for the whitewash we are.