below are a couple of coments from the bbc web page, youwill notice the typical jw response.
many more listed use the link below .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_855000/855727.stm.
I am quite sure that if this had been a documentary on the Church of Scientology, or the Mormons, or, you guessed it, the Catholic Church, JWs would have lined up to cheer.
Just change the names from JWs to Catholics and whamo! the whole JW community would be lining up to do obesience to the producers.
But my good "Christian brothers" cannot see it. Satan has the whole mass of JWs blinded and they are all heading to a pit.
http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/ny-p2cover2793819jul20.story
going door to door despite legal roadblocks and persecution - even mob attacks - jehovah's witnesses spread their messageby paul moses.
paul moses is a regular contributor to newsday.. .
In the lone dissent, Chief Justice William Rehnquist portrayed the case as a legal mismatch. Unlike the Witnesses, the residents of Stratton, he said, "do not have a team of attorneys at their ready disposal."
In the letter to all Stratton residents that I mailed to every home in Stratton just before this ruling, I highlighted the fact that Watchtower has a team of free lawyers at the ready, to drain Stratton through legal fees until they say "Uncle".
Interesting...
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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.
knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..
Ssatan:
"The way i used to see it was that god was outside of time and space"
Excellent conclusion. I came to this same conclusion years ago and only recently had the idea validated by a scientist/theologian who arrived at this from another starting point.
Good work! Carry on....
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now that lawrence's daughter will probably die, the gb will issue new light from god.. yes, they will say it's now ok to get blood.
Now that Lawrence's daughter will probably die, the GB will issue NEW LIGHT from God.
Yes, they will say it's now OK to get blood.
well, the wts has directed all elders in canada to read a letter concerning the child abuse issue.
it is the same whitewash as read in the us a while back when dateline aired.
it seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie bbc and panorama) the wts has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago.
It is good to note that the announcement being read this week in Canada starts off with a very BOLD lie.
It starts 'due to allegations of abuse in other religions..... some have wondered whar WE do in this case'...
The point is, the WTS had it worded so as to point the finger at other religions ie the Catholic Church, as if this "POLICY" announcement were being made in a "by the way" fashion.
Sure... since the churches are sinners, YOU dubs and the general public might be curious as to OUR position.
True change does not start out with a BIG FAT LIE.
well, the wts has directed all elders in canada to read a letter concerning the child abuse issue.
it is the same whitewash as read in the us a while back when dateline aired.
it seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie bbc and panorama) the wts has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago.
Oh yes. That's all true, and the WTS has a long way to go yet.
To be specific, a long way DOWN to go.
It is good to see them on the run...
well, the wts has directed all elders in canada to read a letter concerning the child abuse issue.
it is the same whitewash as read in the us a while back when dateline aired.
it seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie bbc and panorama) the wts has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago.
Well, the WTS has directed all elders in Canada to read a letter concerning the Child Abuse issue. It is the same whitewash as read in the US a while back when Dateline aired. It seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie BBC and Panorama) the WTS has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago. It commneded the "brothers" to enjoy the upcoming District Convention which has already passed. I guess they held off till they just HAD to read it. Second thoughts etc.
In any case, SILENT LAMBS has FORCED the Watchtower to make a policy change. Now, each one can go to POLICE with their abuse case. I would like to see elders tell abuse victims privately that they will be shunned and disfellowshipped (excommunicated) if they use the option set out publicly.
Edited by - biblexaminer on 9 July 2002 22:5:37
Edited by - biblexaminer on 9 July 2002 22:9:34
no, that's not what i think, but it is what the watchtower teaches!
see page 27 of the july 15 issue, where it states: a christian sister may on occasion be accompanied on a bible study by an unbaptized male kingdom publisher.
if she wishes, she may ask him to conduct the study.
The CO poked fun at the ancient Jews for making laws, laws, laws.
"You couldn't walk on tha grass on the Sabbath because you might knock off some seeds on the tips of the blades of grass and that would be threshing and threshing is not allowed on the Sabbath"
All the good folks laughed it up, yet I bet they had a twinge of conscience, thinking 'hey... that sounds like a Watchtower rule'....
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/07/02/mia020702
cbc news.
teen wins fight to refuse blood transfusions .
This poor girl was killed a long time ago, when the Watchtower started to fill her mind with garbage.
Even if you force blood, a die-hard dub of mental lack, will have the will to die, not the will to live.
Therefore, she could not ever get better with Watchtower trash in her veins.
in reading the gospels about jesus ministry i cannot help but be moved by his message and manner and i know i am not alone in feeling like this.
i marvel, smile, and slowly shake my head as i read about the miracles that he performed and have, at one time or other, wished that i could have been there to witness those marvels and to hear his voice.
perhaps like many others i have also wondered at those people who heard him and yet walked away.
Good post and good thread. I enjoyed it, especially after having come back from hearing the Circuit Overhypocrite drone on about orgaizational garbage. A real pick me up...
